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Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 24, 2006, 06:54 PM:
 
I mentioned I lost my cell-phone, but I actually think someone picked it up.

Anyway, I haven't checked my email for a couple of days and when I did found several messages from my mother, among them this one:

quote:
Craig a man named Chris Jones called me from Santa Cruz and he has your cell phone that he found. He wanted money from me if he returned the phone. He told me he could be reached at his number 831 331 7337. He said that the phone was a blue Nokia. I will try to find out who you have service and get the calls on your phone stopped before a big bill is run up. Please call the company you have service with and get your service stopped.

Mother

That's the Santa Cruz idea of a 'favor'.
 
Posted by Sol (Member # 1130) on September 24, 2006, 08:00 PM:
 
PS, Sorry to hear after picking up your phone, someone would actually want a reward. I think returning it to the owner would be reward enough. I've found more lost wallets than I have fingers and toes for and returned them without a hint of thinking about a reward even though each one was offered and refused by me or my now grown son who was there during several. I once found a bank bag (?) from Yellow Bird on the mall and returned in the morning. It was full of checks and receipts. The woman who took from me the next day acted like nothing had happened. A roll of large demoninations is another issue if found on the street. I still hold onto the ideal that most people are honest. Of course the three fine gentleman on 17 Jan, 05 that removed all of my tools from my truck at 04:15 were anything but.. Had it been anything more than the urban Aptos environment, it would have ended differently. Theft and being the victim of a crime even if it is the loss of an item is un-settling.
 
Posted by Winston (Member # 1714) on September 24, 2006, 08:05 PM:
 
...Hmmmm? I had my wallet fall out of my pocket while getting off the motorcycle at Logos. Two hours later, after freaking out and shuting down all the credit cards..I asked the people at the Downtown Host Kiosk if there'd been a wallet found and it was behind the desk...credit cards and money intact...you never know!
...Sorry your tools were stolen. There is a special place in Hell for tool theives...I firmly believe that..a tool theif is the lowest of the low...
 
Posted by captainkidd1953 (Member # 1817) on September 24, 2006, 09:58 PM:
 
quote:
There is a special place in Hell for tool theives...I firmly believe that..a tool theif is the lowest of the low...
We should hang them like they used to do with horse thieves. I don't like cell phone thieves either...
 
Posted by Ol' Al (Member # 1813) on September 24, 2006, 10:37 PM:
 
Tool thieves are akin to the horse thieves of the past. Horses aren't needed today, but a man who would steal another man's working tools, with which he makes a living for his children and his wife...may he be cursed , caught and convicted.

A few weeks ago, Bubba brought a wallet back from It's Beach. It took a little detective work (no worries, LWard), but I returned it to a grateful young woman.
 
Posted by Sol (Member # 1130) on September 25, 2006, 04:35 AM:
 
My wife put a good spin on it at the time, "At least you can buy all new tools." $7,200 in total loss' was not an easy pill to swallow I spent a lot on Federal rounds at Markleys for months after that.
It's 04:30 and I'm up because once again I heard someone on the street outside and raced downstairs to greet them. Theft leaves its mark longer than the effect of the act. I really have to get sensors set up. This is getting to be like setting up for watch again and to think I had hoped PTSD had gone away as the effects have diminished over the years, apparently not. At the time of the theft, one of those gentleman climbed in through the read window of the truck after breaking the latch and grabbed my cell phone too to add injury to insult. They really do have employee of the month parking for these people in hell.
 
Posted by Pragmatist (Member # 809) on September 25, 2006, 06:25 AM:
 
My wife’s car was broken into a couple years back. Well not really broken into as it wasn’t locked being parked in our driveway. Thief took her purse and a few other items. A SC sheriff pulled a guy over that night a saw a purse next to him on the seat. Asked him if it was his and told him to open it. Long story short he was arrested, wife got her stuff back and we learned a lesson about locking things up. Big bravo zulu to the sheriff’s department.
 
Posted by jgun (Member # 1014) on September 25, 2006, 09:27 AM:
 
My truck was broken into a few years ago and all my tools and my all my friggin fishing tackle was stole. A couple of weeks later I saw some low-life type wearing one of my baseball caps that was stole. It was easy to identify because it was from a small east coast placve. When I called the guy out on it and explained how he might want to brush up on his self defense he groveled on the ground insisting that some girl gave him the hat. Well- instead of assuaging my anger with a good butt-kicking, I called the Sheriff's office. The Deputy got the whole story (all my stuff had been sold at the Drive-In) and told me that some red-headed biker chick had stolen my stuff. He said he knew her and described her pretty good and told me to call them if I spotted her. I asked if I should detain her until they arrived and he laughed and told me that, yeah- feel free to, but warned me to "take her down hard" cause she was one tough bltch and liked to fight. I never did spot her (to my wife's relief). lol
I sure miss all my old fishing stuff though. The tools have been replaced, but the fishing tackle had lots of sentimental value.
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 25, 2006, 09:47 AM:
 
I have a weird theft story that happened in my 20s here.

When my best friend was pregant and going through one of her daily false labor, she had me so freaked out driving all over town looking for her husband that I left my wallet with $300 in cash in it in the phone booth outside some discount liquor place. Amazingly enough, a drunken homeless guy returned it to me, cash and all. I gave him a pretty big reward since he didn't ask for one, so he gave me these really cool bright pink overalls too because he said they were too girly for him. The next day I was walking down the mall in them, and this crazy woman came up to me and started screaming at me and pulling my hair and making this godawful scene. It turns out they were HER pink overalls that the were stolen with her stuff the day before. Luckily I had enough cash to go buy a pair of jeans so I could give them back to her. Then she started freaking out again that she wanted my new jeans and I could keep the stupid pink overalls. I started to wish the guy had just kept my wallet, the overalls, and the crazy lady [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Rapha (Member # 2054) on September 25, 2006, 09:48 AM:
 
Yes, there is a special place in Hell for tool thieves. It's a little room where the fan switch is encased behind a metal shield held in place by phillips head screws. And all the screwdrivers in the room are torx..........
Plus the thieves remember that at the time of their departure from earth they left their toolbox unlatched in the back of the pickup
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 25, 2006, 09:55 AM:
 
 - What gets me is the phone was worth maybe $30 new. It is almost 2 years old. The battery is about shot. Of the six function keys at the top, the center top and top right keys don't work, making it impossible to use any of the functions. Additionally, the 3 and 5 keys barely work, and when they do you get extra 3s or 5s half the time and have to redial the number.

The face is gashed and scarred from being in my pocket when I slept on the concrete. And it is so full of dust you can barely read the display.

It's like finding a cracker jack toy with someone's name in it and asking for a reward...
 
Posted by jgun (Member # 1014) on September 25, 2006, 10:04 AM:
 
I'm unclear whether the guy wanted a reward or simply money to pay the postage to your Mom.
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 25, 2006, 10:04 AM:
 
Cagey,

You made me laugh. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by jgun (Member # 1014) on September 25, 2006, 10:08 AM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by cagey:
I have a weird theft story that happened in my 20s here.

When my best friend was pregant and going through one of her daily false labor, she had me so freaked out driving all over town looking for her husband that I left my wallet with $300 in cash in it in the phone booth outside some discount liquor place. Amazingly enough, a drunken homeless guy returned it to me, cash and all. I gave him a pretty big reward since he didn't ask for one, so he gave me these really cool bright pink overalls too because he said they were too girly for him. The next day I was walking down the mall in them, and this crazy woman came up to me and started screaming at me and pulling my hair and making this godawful scene. It turns out they were HER pink overalls that the were stolen with her stuff the day before. Luckily I had enough cash to go buy a pair of jeans so I could give them back to her. Then she started freaking out again that she wanted my new jeans and I could keep the stupid pink overalls. I started to wish the guy had just kept my wallet, the overalls, and the crazy lady [Roll Eyes]

Eerily similar, huh? Now I know how that poor guy wearing my cap felt. One minute he's having a great day and the next he's being accosted by a crazy guy who wants a piece of his butt and some fishing tackle and the hat he's wearing.
I bet he still tells the story... [Smile]
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 25, 2006, 10:10 AM:
 
I understand, everybody gets the benefit of a doubt but me. [Roll Eyes]

My mother is in Alabama. I am not. She knows where I am. Additionally, while I have problems with my mother, she is not stupid. If someone called her telling them they found my phone, she would not ask them to send it to her in Alabama.

Also, my mother reads this.
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 25, 2006, 10:13 AM:
 
Cool [Smile] I wore those overalls for years until there just wasn't enough material left to keep patching. I figured I earned them.

Did you get your phone service turned off in time to not have a big bill?
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 25, 2006, 10:15 AM:
 
I think my mother must have managed that because when I tried to call the number from a friend's place I got a message saying "not accepting calls" and when I checked online yesterday it said my service was suspended.

I'm going to have to find a phone and call them today as they told me in chat yesterday that when you lose your phone you cannot deal with it via the internet, that when you lose your phone you must CALL them on a TELEPHONE to do something about it... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by jgun (Member # 1014) on September 25, 2006, 10:19 AM:
 
PSB- no offense was intended. I was simply unclear. So, your Mom told the guy how to find you here locally? Did he?

BTW- Hi, PSB's Mom. Glad to know you're keeping watch.
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 25, 2006, 11:00 AM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by jgun:
One minute he's having a great day and the next he's being accosted by a crazy guy who wants a piece of his butt and some fishing tackle and the hat he's wearing.
I bet he still tells the story... [Smile]

Well at least you didn't pull his hair and gather a crowd hoping to see 2 women tearing at each others overalls [Roll Eyes]

And geez PSB - that sounds like one of those 'Unclear on the Concept' cartoons. Good luck. Is it cheaper to pay the guy's reward than to get a new phone, or is the phone so trashed that it isn't worth it?
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 25, 2006, 11:42 AM:
 
Al, sorry for being a grump but...

PSB is homeless but ownes a laptop and a cell phone?

But he's so stoned he loses said cell phone?

And comes up with what I believe to be a 'story' about extortion?

Come on now! Something aint right here.
 
Posted by jgun (Member # 1014) on September 25, 2006, 12:35 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by cagey:
quote:
Originally posted by jgun:
One minute he's having a great day and the next he's being accosted by a crazy guy who wants a piece of his butt and some fishing tackle and the hat he's wearing.
I bet he still tells the story... [Smile]

Well at least you didn't pull his hair and gather a crowd hoping to see 2 women tearing at each others overalls [Roll Eyes]

[Smile] I came close. Truth is- what saved him up front was that he was kind of a small guy and I didn't have the heart to man-handle him. I'm glad I didn't, of course, as he wasn't the guy who stole my stuff.
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 25, 2006, 12:50 PM:
 
Matty, I realize you, like most Californians, have never known anything or anyone real. And I find that truly sad.

I almost feel sorry for you.

Almost. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 25, 2006, 01:20 PM:
 
Al, sorry for being a grump but...

Why apologize to Al, it's me you're insulting?

PSB is homeless but ownes a laptop and a cell phone?

Am I supposed to apologize for not living up to your preconceived ideas of what a homeless person is? Would you feel better if I threw away my laptop?

You know, you're just like the junkies that run homeless services (into the ground). Rather than support the homeless who manage to hold onto something and try to do something, all you can do is chastise them for daring to have one little thing, and hold onto it, even though they're homeless.

But he's so stoned he loses said cell phone?

Well aren't you a vicious little *****?

I was no more or less 'stoned' when I lost the phone than I have been every day for the past 18 months, when I managed (miraculously, all things considered) not to lose it. Particularly all those days and night in and around the Concentration Camp.

And medical marijuana patients DO NOT get stoned. It has something to do with smoking every day for months and years...but I know you don't believe that either...

And comes up with what I believe to be a 'story' about extortion?

Well, it's a good thing what you think of me is none of my business, isn't it? Or have you chanted that particular mantra so many times it is totally meaningless to you?

Come on now! Something aint right here.

You're right Matty, something ain't right, and it's YOU.
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 25, 2006, 01:24 PM:
 
Oh I see, thanks for setting me straight.
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 25, 2006, 01:25 PM:
 
So, your Mom told the guy how to find you here locally? Did he?

You want to call her up and ask her?

I'll give you her number if you'd like...
 
Posted by -Moike- (Member # 1153) on September 25, 2006, 02:03 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by matty:
And comes up with what I believe to be a 'story' about extortion?

Come on now! Something aint right here.

Happened to me... Same circumstance as Winston. Got off my motorcycle downtown, cheap junk cellphone popped out of my pocket, and I didn't even notice.

Scumbag finds it, starts dialing numbers, and happens to get someone I'm very close with, who oddly enough just happens to be close to downtown. Scumbag describe the phone to this person, what the display says, and this person they've contacted knows it's -my- phone. Well, said scumbag starts demanding money... "You can buy it back, or I'll just keep it and sell it to someone who wants it."

Let's just say the asking price was about double what I paid for the phone in the first place.

All this taking place unbeknownst to me, since I had not even realized my phone was gone at this point... A meeting spot was arranged with the scumbag to 'purchase' back my phone, and my phone was 'reclaimed' without any exchange of cash.

I'm sure once aforementioned scumbag was in any condition to dial a cellphone again... they'd twitch like Little Alex in "A Clockwork Orange" at the thought of extorting money due to property owners' spot of bad luck.

-Mike-
 
Posted by -Moike- (Member # 1153) on September 25, 2006, 02:10 PM:
 
And I should add... This isn't the first time I've heard about this little game. Or the sixth, or tenth. "Hi. I've got your cellphone, give me money or else." Seems to be common around here.

This town is polluted with lazy opportunistic people trying to get over on each other as soon as they see a low effort exploit pop up.
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 25, 2006, 02:24 PM:
 
Thanks for attacking my cherished beliefs, as they were obviously based on error or superstition.
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 25, 2006, 02:49 PM:
 
Thanks for attacking my cherished beliefs, as they were obviously based on error or superstition.

What is noble, or even attractive, about baiting people with psychiatric disabilities who sleep under a bush? [Roll Eyes]

And how on earth can you whine about 'your cherished beliefs' after the assault you and virtually everyone else here have made on me and mine? [Roll Eyes]

Let me tell you something you sniveling little *******, I will be out of money, medicine, and cigarettes tomorrow or the next day. And I will be that way until the third. It will not be the first time I have suffered for days, and it will not be the last.

I probably will not be able to bathe until I can replace the phone. By then I will probably be covered with sores and infections, and have to undergo the 2nd regimen of bactrim in as many months.

I have acquired and held on to this laptop through that and worse, more times than you can masturbate your whiney little *** watching PeeWee Herman.

So go to Hell. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 25, 2006, 02:52 PM:
 
ME go to hell? Are you sure you've got room?
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 25, 2006, 02:58 PM:
 
Your right Matty, as I've said many many times, I never wondered if I'd died and gone to Hell until I came here.

And neither did I ever pray for the guts to kill myself.

But I do now. And you're partly responsible.

You should be proud.
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 25, 2006, 03:00 PM:
 
Well, I don't feel guilty anyway....
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 25, 2006, 03:21 PM:
 
Craig, before you find them, are you really sure what's next is better, or at least nothing? Seriously - what if it was worse, and forever? Kinda gives the word infinity a whole new meaning. I know that's not a cheerful thought, but it might give you pause to make sure you want to find the guts after all till this passes. It will. (If you're religious and believe in a great afterlife, forget this strategy and focus on their rules about this stuff, I guess. Nothing answers prayers like that anyway.) PM me if there's anything that I can do to help out. I hope this didn't sound callous - it's not meant to. Sugary/sappy doesn't do it for me.

Of course you should keep your laptop. For the pittance you'd get for it you could stay in a hotel room for a week - big deal. With it and your phone, you're connected to everything and all the information you need and want.
 
Posted by Winston (Member # 1714) on September 25, 2006, 03:36 PM:
 
..Suicide is a permant solution to a temporary problem...don't give the bastids the satisfaction.

..Moike...goof for the direct action with the cellphone retrieval...kind of a BF Skinneresque negative reinforcement is it not? I understand that negative reinforcement actually does inhibit anti-social behaviour...bypass the thinking part of the brain and go to the R-complex and it's "cost benefit" analysis of intended actions..regrooving works!

..On a realated note. I just listened to my Sister talke for a half hour about her wallet which was lifted from her purse while shopping in the "99 cents store" in Concord. The mission ID...ATM and credit cards...and a surprise.
She did not have her SSI card in her wallet. She says to never carry that one..ever! Who knew?
I carry the same card I was issued in 1968...same one! She also told me to make a hard copy list of all numbers of documents and cards and the phones numbers of those insitutions...saves trouble if you have to replace them or shut them down.
..Good for you Moike...a few more like you and downtown would have more of a shining luster and less of a patina of grime and crime.
 
Posted by Buzz Daly (Member # 1594) on September 25, 2006, 04:46 PM:
 
"..Moike...goof for the direct action with the cellphone retrieval...kind of a BF Skinneresque negative reinforcement is it not? I understand that negative reinforcement actually does inhibit anti-social behaviour...bypass the thinking part of the brain and go to the R-complex and it's "cost benefit" analysis of intended actions..regrooving works!"

Winston---I'm not sure that Moike conveyed that he was the vehicle for the supposed beatdown of the perpetrator, or not, but, may I suggest that committing an assault to retrieve a phone that probably cost a few hundred bucks, is not a smart move. Beatdowns are assaults, and can be prosectuted as such, notwithstanding the phone theft. Yes, thieves, and streetfolks, actually have rights, too, as annoying as that is to many of my fellow citizens. Dramatic recovery of a stolen item, that includes physical violence probably would look good on "Cops", or something, but is not a good tradeoff for a trivial matter. I've had two c-phones stolen, and no one called my Ma, or Pa, or Sis, or anyone else, trying to sell it. Maybe my "Imagine" ringtone made 'em reconsider their lack of respect for others, go straight, get a haircut, and get a real job, like your big brother Bob. At least I like to think so. Petty thieves are certainly a detriment to Society, but beatin' the s.h.i.t out of 'em is not really much of a thinking response., and only builds up negative Karma points, if you're into that sort of thing. It is popular, however, I will admit. So,is your answer to cleaning up downtown, (if it indeed needs it), is to have roving bands of tough guys beating up folks they don't like the looks of? And this from the peaceful pimp for the pontiff, who wants nothing but peace? Help me out here, Bro--something is amiss, no?
 
Posted by Winston (Member # 1714) on September 25, 2006, 05:01 PM:
 
 -

..Buzz...I'm not adverse to violence...just not participating at this time...at the moment I am trying to be pursuasive rather than forceful...I have mixed rusults with that approach...still, it sems like a path to persue..
..I do applaud Moike...enthuasiticaly!! A few more concerned citizens and downtown might be safe enough for women and children to visit.
Bums and thugs are too used to a slap on the wrist when they transgress against others..justice delayed is justice denied as they say....I don't want to reveal who I know ..but I will say that none of these dirtbags is worth spending one night in the greybar hotel over. You have the mechanism correct...official failure to follow up on assaults that make the streets safer...passive and tacit is the prefered mode....let it fade away...of course I've read about this stuff in books...I am a solid citizen and do not condone breaking the law...for any purpose...I still applaud Moike for his "action" ...why wouldn't I?
..As for "pimping for the Pope"...that really is disrespectful to the Pope isn't it? If you want to enjoy my company...you might reconsider your attitude...just trying to be helpful!
 
Posted by Buzz Daly (Member # 1594) on September 25, 2006, 05:13 PM:
 
At least I didn't say he was violent. And believe me, I know a few stories. Winson the last thing that works with me, is attempted coercion to respect your religious views. When I see religious icons respecting my views, I'll return the favor. In short, your views, or, anyone else's concerning religion are just that, your views. if you choose to place reverence on a chosen religious figure, please, feel free to do so, but, it don't mean nothin'; to me, and I feel no obligation to revere your choices. As I've said before, I think the world would be better off with all of them, so why would I pretend to respect them? Really. Your holier than thou ideas are exactly the problem I've been driving at for so long. You are living in a free society. Enjoy it, and quit trying to make me respect something I see as the problem, not a positive force. Yes, I realize I could be beheaded for saying that in Baghdad and parts of the South, but, free speech is way more important than your chosen religious indoctrination. I'm not interested, and haven't been for many years. Thanks.
 
Posted by captainkidd1953 (Member # 1817) on September 25, 2006, 05:43 PM:
 
Arrange a meeting. Got a cop friend? You can alway have them witness a thief trying to sell stolen property. Busted cold turkey...
 
Posted by Mahakala (Member # 570) on September 25, 2006, 06:18 PM:
 
Is it even legal to DEMAND monetary compensation for returning lost property?

That might be a silly question, but something about this situation ticks off some vague iota of memory...
 
Posted by Buzz Daly (Member # 1594) on September 25, 2006, 06:32 PM:
 
I'm not sure if this addresses your question directly, but theft can be pretty complicated. This Wiki definition is pretty comprehensive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petty_theft
 
Posted by -Moike- (Member # 1153) on September 25, 2006, 07:46 PM:
 
I go downtown for a cup of coffee quite often. And normally always to Pacific Avenue. Usually on my motorcycle, and usually I park out front of Starbucks or across the street at Bizzaro-Starbucks.

I don't say anything, I normally just sit or stand quietly, enjoy my coffee... and people watch. One of my more relaxing habits.

Most the familiars downtown are harmless, it's cheap street theater at it's best. But there is a small percentage of people I observe on a regular basis who make me think the movie "Soylent Green" wasn't so much a film, as an Instructional How-To Video.

These are the ones you look at and you know they can be locked up over and over again, and they'll just never get it. The only thing they'll ever understand is a punch square in the face.

Never been arrested. Never been addicted to anything other than motorcycles. Never been in a 'program'. And I've never been homeless, despite the fact I've been supporting myself since I was 18.

So my opinion doesn't amount for much around these parts...
-Mike-
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 26, 2006, 07:54 PM:
 
Of course you should keep your laptop. For the pittance you'd get for it you could stay in a hotel room for a week - big deal. With it and your phone, you're connected to everything and all the information you need and want.

I haven't read any further than this.

But I did spend most of the day pondering what set me off (and wishing I hadn't posted the last message...)

Now, if I were 'in a program' neither snivelling little Matty nor whining Winston would be complaining about me having a couple of pitiful possessions.

And the fact is, the junkies over at homeless services, and particularly the 'recovering' ones, simply CANNOT STAND to see anyone that's 'using' acquire and hold onto something.

It violates their most CHERISHED BELIEFS.

If someone 'in recovery' buy a car or a computer it wonderful. The program works!!!

If someone like me buys a car or a computer, they're 'taking advantage', 'abusing the system'.

That's exactly how Matty, and Winston, and YOU think to a large extent. And it's wrong. It's DISCRIMINATION.

And they did sabotage me, and caused me tremendous suffering, for their stupid beliefs - which would never get FDA approval.

And what you've seen here, from Winston and Matty particularly, is exactly the kind of crap I had to deal with on a daily basis at The Concentration Camp.

There's been a lot of talk about MAGNETS in this town, I hear.

Well, let me tell you something - your homeless services center is THE magnet attracting everything you don't want here, and servicing THEM while banning anyone that doesn't have a 'drug problem'.

They banned David because he wouldn't work.

They banned Mary Koury because she ... is old?

They banned me because I wouldn't give up my medicine.

And I heard last night they banned a couple of other people.

In short, your homeless services is catering to the junkies, the welfare queens, who will do anything to ride the Recovery Merry-go-round.

Matty accussed me months ago of wanting a free ride.

What nonsense. If I was after 3 hots and a cot, I would get on the Recovery Merry Go Round and do the pills, just like everyone else.

I came here seeking sanctuary as a medical marijuana patient, and what do I get? A God Damned year of being proselytized, manipulated and pressured by a bunch of ex-junkies (the very same people who stole my plants and tried to extort medicine and money from me, who came to my door and said, "Give me some marijuana or I'll call the sheriff"). And these same people manipulated me into a position where I have suffered almost a year, unnecessarily. And these same people have manipulated me into a position that I will never recover from.

And I get to watch everyone fall all over themselves to help them while they fall all over themselves to make me 'hit bottom'.

I will repeat, those monsters Marcos Banuelos and Vicki Muir, knowing full well the conditions at the armory, after I had signed onto the church-groups, told me I could not go on the church groups but had to go to the armory.

Oh, to Hell with it.

And as for leaving, as I said before, I'm staying deal with it.

You don't take everything I have, including the cat that was my companion for 15 years, and put me through that torture you call services, and then drive me into debt and practically into bankruptcy, and throw me out in the street and harass and ridicule me and torture me with your damn downtown ordinances and get by with it.

I refuse to leave here bankrupt, penniless, destitute and half mad. You all not only allowed this to happen to me, but cheered the people who did it to me.

And Matty, I know snivelling, mean-spirited little bullies like you never feel guilty.

After all, Tough Love gives you carte blanche to abuse anyone, anytime, any way you want doesn't it? And isn't that wonderful for abusers and control freaks everywhere?

And the poor and homeless don't come here because of your services. They come here because if they get disability in California they can go HOME and get more than if they got disability where they LIVE.

I could give you LOTS of examples. Meanwhile, people like myself, who have been a California resident for 26 years and paid California taxes my ENTIRE working life get lambasted by junkies like Matty and Winston as 'transient' and 'outsiders' and here to lap up their 'generosity'.

WHAT CRAP.
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 26, 2006, 09:01 PM:
 
I see I forgot to mention, in addition to discriminating against medical marijuana patients, and anyone that doesn't want to give up being an adult to sleep indoors, they discriminate against the disabled.

They don't care if you're deemed 100% disabled and unable to work or not. Either you 'work' for them or you get the boot.

End of story.

That is discrimination: denial of services based on 'ability'; and, refusal to make reasonable accomodation.

In short, your homeless service is not a service at all. It is a 'rehab' for, primarily, junkies. And it is a workhouse where the truly desperate can get paid $20 for the priviledge of spending about 16 hours working as a monitor and sleeping on a hard floor...if you can sleep with all the noise and whatnot.

Some charity huh? $1.25/hour.

Why doesn't that violate the minimum wage laws?

Awfully cheap 'security' for the churches.

And in return, the get no bums sleeping on the grounds, except those 12 or so they let inside.

How very Christian of you.

And did I forget to mention CHEAP?

Now, is there anyone I forgot to offend? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Winston (Member # 1714) on September 26, 2006, 10:08 PM:
 
..I don't know why you'd put up with that kind of treatment. If I was so ill used by a town I'd be gone quicker than it takes to read this.
..So the question is...why stay where you are so persecuted and maligned? Really, why stay in a place where you are treated so badly?
..I just don't get it at all. [Confused]
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 26, 2006, 10:10 PM:
 
Because I've had it you stupid, abusive, insufferable piece of ****.
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 26, 2006, 10:31 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by -Moike-:
[QB]I go downtown for a cup of coffee quite often. And normally always to Pacific Avenue. Usually on my motorcycle, and usually I park out front of Starbucks or across the street at Bizzaro-Starbucks.

I don't say anything, I normally just sit or stand quietly, enjoy my coffee... and people watch. One of my more relaxing habits.

Most the familiars downtown are harmless, it's cheap street theater at it's best. But there is a small percentage of people I observe on a regular basis who make me think the movie "Soylent Green" wasn't so much a film, as an Instructional How-To Video.

These are the ones you look at and you know they can be locked up over and over again, and they'll just never get it. The only thing they'll ever understand is a punch square in the face.

]

You sound charming. Although I'd be hard pressed to pick you out as you could be one of many cyclist on any given day, at any given time. 'Hanging out', 'relaxing', 'people watching' ('girl ogling' let's be honest) in front of Starbucks. Sigh.
 
Posted by lookwithin (Member # 1906) on September 26, 2006, 11:03 PM:
 
Wierd hijackoff, Matty.
Do you have such a compelling need to debase others publicly, or do you just feel the need to schnorr?
Just askin'
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 26, 2006, 11:36 PM:
 
Compelling? No, it's a rather reluctant duty I do. Someone has to tell these profligates exactly what they look like. Hey, I call em like I see em. They do their own debasing.

"Schnorr"? Now there is an esoteric word if I've ever heard one. What is it you think I am hoping to obtain?
 
Posted by -Moike- (Member # 1153) on September 27, 2006, 03:37 AM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by matty:
You sound charming. Although I'd be hard pressed to pick you out as you could be one of many cyclist on any given day, at any given time. 'Hanging out', 'relaxing', 'people watching' ('girl ogling' let's be honest) in front of Starbucks. Sigh.

It's pretty easy...

- I'm there for about 20 to 30 minutes, not all day, as I have a life and other obligations
- I actually look calm, no American Chopper bolt-on RUB poser attitude or scowl

As far as girl ogling... maybe if I brought a bottle of eye-bleach along with me. Nothing female has walked through the mall in ages that's even been worth the effort of turning my head. Watching the antics of the street cretins, crackheads, and attention wh0r3s has a far higher entertainment payout than ogling any random passing chick.

-Mike-
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 27, 2006, 09:27 AM:
 
Someone has to tell these profligates exactly what they look like.

Behind a mask of anonymity, no less.

What a brave soul you are.

I'd love to what you would look like if you'd been abused and used as badly as they have, as long as they have.

I mean that quite sincerely.
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 27, 2006, 02:25 PM:
 
Charming and humble. Some lucky gal.....
 
Posted by Winston (Member # 1714) on September 27, 2006, 02:51 PM:
 
Buzz, Here's the deal. I'm a failed Catholic..I don't attend Catholic Mass any more. But I'm respectful...why? It is a place of faith and worship for many good persons who go there. If I don't adhere to their creed, it doesn't give me the right or inclination to be rude to Catholics.
Same with Jews. I've dated Jewish Gals and I've been the Goyimm Boyfriend...most of my experiences with Jews have included me being treated badly becuase I wasn't a "Chosen Person"..I'm a goyim, my Mother is a Shiksta..etc..still..it is an old and cherished belief for many who find comfort there..so I try to be respectful when refering to Jews.
..Then we have the Dali Lama...Buddhism is not a religion in the sense of JudeoChristianMuslim Theology but I'm respectful, why? Maybe I was a Budddhist in a past life? Who knows? I used to go hear Rimpoche speak whenever I could. I got at least as much from Buddhist teachings as I ever got from the Catholics..a bit more prehaps.
..Then we have Evangelical Christians...faith based if you will...I'm about as good a Christian as I am a Catholic...but I am a Christian. I'm convinced that Christ is alive and is available to those who seek him. Now, this could be derided as "hearing voices" or something equally rude..the answer..to my mind at least..is being polite and respectful to all people of faith.
Different paths for different folks...a thousand monks..a thousand different religions. In a Secualar and Profane discussion...always be polite.
..Some people feel they do not need the "Crutch" of "Religion"...and look with distain at those weak enough to have faith. The inner journey is by nature a personal one...personal proofs that light the way...I have mine...and I think you have yours...the things we believe in are the things we tend to see. Much harder to see things as they are and not as we would have them be.
..So, Buzz..you have turned your back on faith in something more than this world we live in. You seem to consider that our fleshy and decaying bodies are suitable vehicles for our random stumbling about with each of us being his own God..an Island..needing no one..comming from nothing..going nowhere...I can respect that belief..although I view it as a stop on the way to inner knowledge...the path goes ever on..
In thirty years will shall all know the truth of "eternal life" and the "soul" ...the best I can come up with is "I don't know yet"...I'm surprised that you "know" there is nothing else to Life than what you believe in...this may change on your deathbed..it often does.
 
Posted by wink (Member # 2083) on September 27, 2006, 11:31 PM:
 
Well you got the guys phone number, call the police and report him with having stolen property...or we have the phone number..want us to call him, asking for you and after a few hours, you call him asking for your messages? May a thousand fleas from a camel invade his armpits. I lost my wallet on the bus, right after I cashed my paycheck..I was on my way to pay my rent....did the nice lady who said "Have a nice day!" ever ride that bus again...no she was in an old used car about a week later. I love this town too.
 
Posted by Buzz Daly (Member # 1594) on September 28, 2006, 07:10 AM:
 
Winston---Or, as David Hume, serious non-believer, said, (when prompted by folks who also thought he would see the error of his ways on his deathbed), posed the following question: "Have you made your peace with the Lord, David?" "I wasn't aware we'd quarrelled", responded Hume before expiring. As for "knowing", anything, I don't claim to----all I know is what I've observed over many years. I've had access to all the same instructional materials available for religious indoctrination that anyone has. I choose not to believe it. It's really that simple. I decided long ago, that the information available was not very credible in my mind, and I just didn't have the "Faith" (or, as Mark Twain said: Faith is believing something you know isn't true), to give it any serious thought or time. I've been there, read it, don't believe it, moved on. Why should I pretend to give respect to anyone's decision to embrace an "idea" of some sort, and then have them expect some extra "respect"? I don't get that line of thinking. Religion is a choice people make, or don't make. It carries no special status except to those who choose to believe so. I do not. It would be nothing more than a waste of time in my life, therefore, I pay no attention to it, until Gov't officials like GWB try to make it an official part of Gov't, which it ain't. So, yes, I will state my belief when prompted, or, in order to disabuse folks of the idea this is a Christian country. It is not, and I hope we can resist attempts to make it so. I have no extra respect for religous Icons than I do for Sports Icons, or Music Icons, or any other Icons folks choose to make important in their lives. Enjoy the free choices you make, but, trying to get me to respect them is going nowhere. What's important to you, may not have the same urgency to me. This is OK in a free society. Sorry.
 
Posted by jgun (Member # 1014) on September 28, 2006, 07:30 AM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Buzz Daly:
At least I didn't say he was violent. And believe me, I know a few stories. Winson the last thing that works with me, is attempted coercion to respect your religious views. When I see religious icons respecting my views, I'll return the favor. In short, your views, or, anyone else's concerning religion are just that, your views. if you choose to place reverence on a chosen religious figure, please, feel free to do so, but, it don't mean nothin'; to me, and I feel no obligation to revere your choices. As I've said before, I think the world would be better off with all of them, so why would I pretend to respect them? Really. Your holier than thou ideas are exactly the problem I've been driving at for so long. You are living in a free society. Enjoy it, and quit trying to make me respect something I see as the problem, not a positive force. Yes, I realize I could be beheaded for saying that in Baghdad and parts of the South, but, free speech is way more important than your chosen religious indoctrination. I'm not interested, and haven't been for many years. Thanks.

[Smile] Keep it up buzz. I feel like you are my #1 speech-writer. I wonder why we both see religion in almost exactly the same way? Seriously- I've been somewhat in the minority all my life when it comes to dissing religion. It's good to know the whole country isn't daft.
Where did anyone get the idea that belonging to a church was somehow more revered than joining the Elks Club? What a scam.
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 28, 2006, 09:35 AM:
 
If I don't adhere to their creed, it doesn't give me the right or inclination to be rude to Catholics.

Why not? They are rude, and worse, to anyone and anything they don't like.

i.e., homosexuals.

The current Pope was the head of The Office for the Preservation of the Faith, i.e., THE INQUISITION.

The Inquisition was the revenue producing arm of the church, and the Mallorus Mallefacorum (or however it's spelled) is truly the most evil item on the face of the planet.

The Inquisition got its start hunting down and murdering anyone that dared possess and or read a bible for themselves...which lead to the Reformation.
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 28, 2006, 09:47 AM:
 
Well you got the guys phone number, call the police and report him with having stolen property...or we have the phone number..want us to call him, asking for you and after a few hours, you call him asking for your messages?

The night I started this thread I woke up crying in the middle of the night. Choking sobs. I have these spells regardless of external circumstances, though external circumstances most certainly bring them on.

Someone came up to me and asked if I was all right. I asked them who they were and told them to leave me alone. (I really have to turn all my focus (and my will and my energy) to myself to keep from escalating when I have a spell - and even listening to someone, much less speaking to them, will divert my focus and cause me to escalate...)

I could swear they said their name was Chris Jones, though at the time I didn't care who it was, I just had to be left alone.

They threatened to call the police if I didn't calm down. Which set me off, and I stood in the park in the middle of the name screaming "Call the police! I don't care! Just leave me alone!"

Eventually they got the message and left.

I don't have money to make a phone call and I'm not going to beg for it.

If one of you can get my phone back I would appreciate it.
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 28, 2006, 09:53 AM:
 
Winston,

If I had my medicine I would be laughing right now. Your defense of 'respect' is about as absurd, ridiculous, self-serving, transparent, and hypocritical as a person can get. [Roll Eyes]

In a Secualar and Profane discussion...always be polite.

What a piece of work you are. [Eek!]
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 28, 2006, 09:54 AM:
 
I just called that number, but the name on the message wasn't Chris Jones. I left a message anyway and asked him to call me. I'll let you know if I hear from him. If he calls, how will I know that it's your phone, and that it's worth the reward that he wants? Did he ever say how much he wanted?
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 28, 2006, 10:04 AM:
 
quote:
I have these spells regardless of external circumstances
"Irrespective" of external circumstances? Perhaps.
 
Posted by CoramDeo (Member # 1441) on September 28, 2006, 10:12 AM:
 
I think he had it right the first time, Matty; ease up there sassy.

I'm sorry to hear you had a rough night, Craig.

Heather
 
Posted by CoramDeo (Member # 1441) on September 28, 2006, 10:20 AM:
 
quote:
The Inquisition got its start hunting down and murdering anyone that dared possess and or read a bible for themselves...which lead to the Reformation.
Mostly; it's more accurate to say that while bringing the Bible into the hands of the common man instead of letting priests interpret it only was ONE of the factors involved in the Reformation, the primary factor was about the doctrine of justification. Martin Luther, who initially led the Reformation, called it the doctrine on which the Church stands or falls. Rome believed a person's good/religious works earned in part or in full their favor with God, the gospel of Christianity says one's external works don't affect ther salvation - all are equal recipients of grace, leaving no room to boast or judge another. External works are considered merely the evidence or 'fruit' of one's faith.

But the accessibility of the Bible to the layman and many other factors were part of what led to the Reformation as well.

Heather
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 28, 2006, 10:40 AM:
 
Well you got the guys phone number, call the police and report him with having stolen property...

This hadn't occurred to me till you mentioned it. But the fact is, I don't know it was stolen and I doubt calling the police about it will produce any result, except perhaps to annoy the police.

I called the police several weeks ago, 911. I truly feared I was about to be assaulted and the guy was certainly threating to beat me up, he even screamed that into the phone when I held it up to him. And the dispatcher told me they could hear him.

Needless to say, the police never came. They did call me back. Evidently, if you're so involved with your assailant that you can't speak to the 911 dispatcher for 15 minutes they don't bother to do anything.

And being able to call the police was the major reason I got the phone, and have spent $50/month to keep it working and make sure I always had minutes.

I would like to have the phone back but I don't really want any of you to pay a reward. I've resolved myself to doing without until I can buy another phone.

As for identifying it, the description I gave earlier should be enough. The 3 & 5 keys, the two top-right navagation keys - I would think that would set it apart from any others.

Don't you have my number Cagey? Couldn't you just call it and see if it rings? (Well, the battery's probably dead by now...)
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 28, 2006, 10:44 AM:
 
Oh yes, my mother had my service 'suspended'. I forgot that. The phone won't accept calls. Least it shouldn't.
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 28, 2006, 10:47 AM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by CoramDeo:
I think he had it right the first time, Matty; ease up there sassy.

I'm sorry to hear you had a rough night, Craig.

Heather

Don't "don't" me Heather.

I respect your altruism, although I don't believe in it, but I don't buy your apologetics either.

Oh, and I think I'll stick with my phraseology.
 
Posted by seakin (Member # 1412) on September 28, 2006, 10:52 AM:
 
Hi Matty,

Somethin eatin at you?

Seems like you are itchin for a fight.

I've been known to be wrong, though.

I hope your OK
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 28, 2006, 10:58 AM:
 
I was born that way seakin, Heather can hold her own.

quote:
Do what you like,
Doing it nat'rally
But if it's too easy
They're gonna disagree

Loggins
 
Posted by seakin (Member # 1412) on September 28, 2006, 11:14 AM:
 
Matty,

I was not just eluding to your specific responses to Heather in this thread.

Feel free to ignore me if I'm off-base.
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 28, 2006, 11:21 AM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by seakin:
Matty,

I was not just eluding to your specific responses to Heather in this thread.

Feel free to ignore me if I'm off-base.

I am more than OK. Ignore you? Impossible.

I am antagonistic, a given, but it seems to me, and as I've explained to others here before, some people need some freakin' ALOHA!! Know what I mean? A lot of people seem to float along on presumptions.
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 28, 2006, 11:36 AM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
I would like to have the phone back but I don't really want any of you to pay a reward. I've resolved myself to doing without until I can buy another phone.

I don't have a cellphone so I have no idea of what they cost. Can you give me a sense of what it would cost to replace it? (Unless it's the principle of the thing, don't worry about the cost of the reward. I can probably guilt trip him out of it, or else I'll just donate a little less to HSC this year [Wink] )

quote:
As for identifying it, the description I gave earlier should be enough. The 3 & 5 keys, the two top-right navagation keys - I would think that would set it apart from any others.
Yep that will do it.

quote:
Don't you have my number Cagey?
I'm pretty sure I have it at home. What's the best way to reach you over the next few days if the guy ever calls me back?

(I'm not trying to purposely irritate you by being forgetful. I'm having a rough time this week from being overtired and my memory is pretty bad right now.)
 
Posted by seakin (Member # 1412) on September 28, 2006, 11:41 AM:
 
Yo Matty,

"I am antagonistic, a given, but it seems to me, and as I've explained to others here before, some people need some freakin' ALOHA!! Know what I mean? A lot of people seem to float along on presumptions."

Okey-Dokey

and I do know what you mean

carry on with the Matty ALOHA spirit.....you do help give an new meaning to PAU

Later
[Wink]
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 28, 2006, 11:50 AM:
 
I guess the best way to reach me is by email. Or a pm here. Or a pm on my forum.
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 28, 2006, 11:51 AM:
 
"PAU" as in 'done'? not sure what you mean haole.

And BTW, is there anyone out there who felt the west cliff light show was a complete bomb?
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 28, 2006, 11:55 AM:
 
OK I'll reach you by one of those methods if I hear from him.

How much does a new phone cost? Does any phone work with any service or do you have to get them as a package? I've just never wanted one. They don't work where I live, and I like being unreachable by phone unless I'm home or at work.
 
Posted by seakin (Member # 1412) on September 28, 2006, 12:11 PM:
 
""PAU" as in 'done'? not sure what you mean haole."

It also means "quit", as in Pau-Hana...."quitting time".

It is also pronounced like the english word POW, which is a word that is also sometimes (often-times) characteristic of your posts.

I evolved from Haole to Kane while living on the Islands. I prefer that over Haole, plus I know my ancestry quite well, thank you. I could talk story and say humuhumunuku..... with the best of them.
Knowing the Hawaiian names of most of the sea creatures around the Islands and being able to describe the whereabouts and habits of O'Pakapaka, Ehi, Ono, Au, etc. etc. better than most Locals really helped the anti-haole sentiment too.
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 28, 2006, 12:22 PM:
 
quote:
It also means "quit", as in Pau-Hana...."quitting time".
What's the diff?

quote:
while living on the Islands
You are a haole thru an thru, no lie bruddah.
 
Posted by ericr (Member # 1192) on September 28, 2006, 12:47 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by cagey:
...How much does a new phone cost? ...

Pay as you go phones are a great deal for those who don't use the phone a lot. I finally broke down and got my own from Cingular. You can get a free phone, and $100 pre-pay which lasts for a year. (then the minutes expire, unless you add more)
Thus a phone costs $100/year.
I rarely use it, but it is nice to have if over the hill and need to get in touch with someone or call home.

Paying $50/mo is ludicrous unless you're a phone wh0re.

On my plan you can chose between:
$0.25/minute flat rate
$1/day + $0.10/min, free mobile to mobile
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 28, 2006, 12:56 PM:
 
Thanks eric [Smile]

I'm just trying to figure out the cheapest way to get PSB going again with a phone, and I'm too tired and dense today to figure it out. He'll come back eventually and tell me, I hope. IIRC (and I probably don't), I think he had paid for the service, then had it suspended when he lost the phone.

Pulling together the money for a phone will be no big deal if it isn't too expensive and I know exactly what he needs.
 
Posted by Winston (Member # 1714) on September 28, 2006, 01:09 PM:
 
..Cingualar has a promotion going on now that seems attractive. I got a upgrade Nokia for which I had to kick down an extra $100. The rate in the ad is for a Samsung phone and 450 peak and 5000 anytime minutes for about $29 a month. The minutes are rollover so they add up as you don't use them. System is at least as good as Verizon.
Good for you trying to help him out, I'm surprised he'll accept help.
 
Posted by seakin (Member # 1412) on September 28, 2006, 01:15 PM:
 
ericr,

"Paying $50/mo is ludicrous unless you're a phone wh0re."

Gotta disagree with you there Bud. That is what I pay per month for my cell phone plan. My cell phone serves as my phone for just about all of my voice communications (home phone, work phone, travel phone, emergencies while on the road, keeping in touch with family-friends, monthly reserve duty in the San Francisco area).

It has proven invaluable during work in the field and during travels. I like that I have been able to keep the same all in one phone number for the last 5 years.

I'm no phone wh0re either. I average around 800 minutes of use per month, which are a combination of personal and work voice minutes.
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 28, 2006, 01:39 PM:
 
Craig, I'm heading into a meeting now till about 3 or so. I can meet you after work if you want and help you get this one together or at least give you some $$ for the phone calls that you have to make. I'll check after my meeting (between 2:30 and 3:30) before I go home. I'm off tomorrow, so I can help you then too if you want.
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 28, 2006, 01:47 PM:
 
The phones cost .50 per 15 minutes, they don't care where you're calling.

So I can't call anyone.

and my hand is bleeding from beating the phone.
 
Posted by jgun (Member # 1014) on September 28, 2006, 01:57 PM:
 
cagey- you are a gem! PSB says thanks a million.
 
Posted by ericr (Member # 1192) on September 28, 2006, 02:00 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by seakin:
Gotta disagree with you there Bud. That is what I pay per month for my cell phone plan...

As Al would say, "Roger that."
We actually just went to a ~$50 ($39.99, with $8(!) in fees and taxes [Roll Eyes] ) for my wife's phone. We used to share it, but as her biz picked up, it was no longer practical for me to borrow it when needed. If you're using it for business, et. al, it makes sense. (but you're still a phone wh0re [Wink] )

Let's just say if *I* was on a serious budget and didn't need it for work, I wouldn't spend $600/year to have a phone.
 
Posted by seakin (Member # 1412) on September 28, 2006, 02:07 PM:
 
Cagey and PSB,

I have an extra Nokia cell phone (Cingular based) Also have a wall adapter charger that goes with it. I am willing to give it to PSB.

I have upgraded twice since I used the nokia phone and I have an additional backup phone, for myself. So the phone I am offering is a backup for my backup phone.

Would this be of any interest to you? Once I saw that Cingular was the service provideer for PSB, I realized this phone that I am offering might be applicable in the solution.

Or is the overall objective to get the original stolen phone back and not start a new phone, new number, and new plan.
 
Posted by ericr (Member # 1192) on September 28, 2006, 02:09 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by jgun:
cagey- you are a gem! PSB says thanks a million.

Word. We may need to retool a set of those flying monkey wings in to angel's wings for her.
 
Posted by seakin (Member # 1412) on September 28, 2006, 02:32 PM:
 
Bruddah Matty,

"You are a haole thru an thru, no lie bruddah."

You wanna beef or what? [Cool] [Mad]

no stinkin haole here

done and quit have a "diff"......

check da kine for definitions bruddah
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 28, 2006, 02:52 PM:
 
Thanks you guys, and thanks Seakin for that great offer. Let me try to get in touch with PSB and see what works for him, and maybe we can get this sorted out soon. The idea of being disabled and homeless and having no way to get help in an emergency really bugs me.

Craig, I'm going to PM you with my home # in case you get access to a free phone tonight or tomorrow, otherwise PM me if you can and we can figure this out (if you still want to.)
 
Posted by Ol' Al (Member # 1813) on September 28, 2006, 03:10 PM:
 
Matty,

"And BTW, is there anyone out there who felt the west cliff light show was a complete bomb?"

Embarrassingly limp. Like so much of that "Peace Weenie" stuff. Needed more Tribal Drummers, with Surf Nazis to beat them up. That would have made News!
 
Posted by Ol' Al (Member # 1813) on September 28, 2006, 03:20 PM:
 
KG, you know, I'll help Craig, though I don't know the fellow. You can give him $20 in phone time, and I'll pay you for it. A little help during hard times is appropriate.

PSB...don't despair; the times, they are a changin'. I see better things ahead for you.
 
Posted by homer (Member # 420) on September 28, 2006, 03:20 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
And I want to sincerely thank Matty and Winston for getting me so depressed and upset I didn't do anything about this yet.

I had no idea that matty and winston are so powerful that they can prevent a grown man from taking care of himself.
 
Posted by ericr (Member # 1192) on September 28, 2006, 03:58 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:

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Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 28, 2006, 04:13 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ol' Al:
KG, you know, I'll help Craig, though I don't know the fellow. You can give him $20 in phone time, and I'll pay you for it. A little help during hard times is appropriate.

PSB...don't despair; the times, they are a changin'. I see better things ahead for you.

Thanks Al, that's really nice of you [Smile] I'm off tomorrow because I already hit OT today, so hopefully he and I can take care of it then if I hear from him. I should be less dense after a full night's sleep too. Maybe I'll even break down and get a cell phone one day, as long as no one tells my mother that she can reach me in my car now too [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Mahakala (Member # 570) on September 28, 2006, 04:17 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by homer:
I had no idea that matty and winston are so powerful that they can prevent a grown man from taking care of himself.

Stressors are synergistic in neuronal effect. A study of coffee's effects a few years ago found that it sped up the heart rate and sensory apparatus five times more among those unemployed and income-less than among those with income. Social rejection when already physically or medically vulnerable has measured and measurable impact way beyond the same social rejection when physically and medically secure. To be honest with you, longterm poster to longterm poster, we all ought to know that. It's important in treating people fairly and realistically.
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on September 28, 2006, 04:21 PM:
 
I had another spell.

I guess the highlight was when I was sitting on the curb and SCPD #124 ... well, I had just been given some bud which I severly needed, and told him I really needed, and he told me it was illegal to smoke it 'in front of a residence' (I was sitting on the curb, PUBLIC, I do believe, but I never got to make that point as I started screaming...

So Matty, and anyone else, rest assured, I just screamed at a real live officer far worse than anything I typed here. And that goes for any woman that has ever said (usually screamed at me) "You wouldn't talk to me like that if I were a man..."

I have just returned to what passes for sanity, and saw Cagey's note, and I guess I'm a Day late and a dollar short again.

I could write a book about the last hour or so, but I'll spare you. I have a feeling tongues are wagging...

I need to sit down and look at the numbers, they could just be going through my memory or my address book.

All I know is I have made at most 4 short calls in the past week or so.

That and I am having a far worse time than I ... expected. And I don't have a clue what else to say.
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 28, 2006, 04:27 PM:
 
Craig, I sent you a PM earlier. We can get at least the phone taken care of. Just hang in there. I'm really tired tonight and it's kind of late to drive back to town, but we can probably figure it out tonight and then I can come down and meet you in the morning since I'm off from work. I'm just clueless about cell phone plans, so you have to figure out that part. I'm not sure of the best way to handle it. Would Seakin's offer of a phone help since we can get the money together to pay for the minutes for a while?

If you're too stressed out tonight to deal with it, we can do it in the morning.
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 28, 2006, 05:14 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ol' Al:

Embarrassingly limp. Like so much of that "Peace Weenie" stuff. Needed more Tribal Drummers, with Surf Nazis to beat them up. That would have made News![/QB]

What was the name of the 'artist' "Kirby" something or other? I don't agree with you on any of the drumming or Nazi stuff.
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 29, 2006, 10:42 AM:
 
Hey Seakin - if we can figure out how to get your phone working with PSB's number, can you think of a way that I can get it from you that doesn't compromise your anonymity? Thanks [Smile]
 
Posted by seakin (Member # 1412) on September 29, 2006, 11:06 AM:
 
Cagey,

I sent you a PM.

Seakin
 
Posted by matty (Member # 1111) on September 29, 2006, 11:10 AM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mahakala:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by homer:
[qb] I had no idea that matty and winston are so powerful that they can prevent a grown man from taking care of himself.

Stressors are synergistic in neuronal effect. A study of coffee's effects a few years ago found that it sped up the heart rate and sensory apparatus five times more among those unemployed and income-less than among those with income. Social rejection when already physically or medically vulnerable has measured and measurable impact way beyond the same social rejection when physically and medically secure. [QUOTE]

I guess that is why PSB telling me to "Got to Hell you goddamned *******." didn't bother me at all.
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 29, 2006, 11:12 AM:
 
OK thanks - I got it and answered.

Hey Craig, I have an update since the last PM that I sent you, so PM me again or email me and we can work it out.
 
Posted by seakin (Member # 1412) on September 29, 2006, 02:14 PM:
 
Cagey,

I PM'd back to you about my 2 available cell phones.
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on September 29, 2006, 02:25 PM:
 
Thanks Seakin - I just read it and answered. Thanks a lot for trying.

Craig, check your PMs again - I can come down and meet you as soon as I know where to meet you.
 
Posted by Ol' Al (Member # 1813) on September 29, 2006, 02:29 PM:
 
Matty,
"What was the name of the 'artist' "Kirby" something or other? I don't agree with you on any of the drumming or Nazi stuff."
I don't recall the name.
And, I was doing a DeCinzo with the street fight between drummers and surfers.
 
Posted by Mahakala (Member # 570) on September 29, 2006, 03:45 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by matty:
I guess that is why PSB telling me to "Got to Hell you goddamned *******." didn't bother me at all.

Yep. Back when I was temporarily unemployed, the same things that occur now bothered me a lot more, because I already felt holistically vulnerable. Now? Pth. [Smile]
 
Posted by mulepig (Member # 2044) on September 29, 2006, 05:02 PM:
 
thats why payphones are about gone...

so them bloodsuckers can make ya pay almost 600 a year for a lousy phone.

soon AM n FM broadcast radio

and broadcast TV and even CB radio may be iced-

so them greedheads will make sure no poor person-or someone living in the brush can even have a radio.

or even the old working stiff will have to pay a monthly charge

just to hear some canned corporate crap and NO "DJ"

man I miss the good old days-even though we had no internet

if ya only used phones once n a while

you just dropped a dime in and called

(Florida example how STUPID ending broadcast media is-the hurricane(s) knocked out cell service-towers- [Mad]

CB/ham/and broadcast radio saved the day....
 
Posted by palmspringsbum (Member # 1742) on October 04, 2006, 08:03 PM:
 
I didn't really want to ressurect this thread (though I have spent some time pondering how to thank you for the phone), but when I went to the post office today and the postmistress told me my mother had called...

...I figured I was going to get emails about it until I made a big issue of saying "Thanks for the phone".

Of course, I think part of the problem is my mother wants to thank you, but doesn't want to interfere. She dosn't want me to blame her for sabotaging something. And there are other complications, like her husband, she tells me. (And he probably reads this too...)

I am grateful for the phone.

Since all the buttons work, it is better than the one I had before.

And the cost would have broke my budget.

I managed to bath Sunday. And have been able to bathe daily since then and stay clean, but it wasn't soon enough.

I got a motel tonight, which I can't really afford, but I will probably get one tomorrow as well, as the infections are festering, even though I've bathed them for the past couple of days.

I went to HPHP today and the earliest available appointment they had was Friday, and I'm thinking given the rain and the infections I should sleep indoors, whatever the cost. At least until I can get (more) antibiotics.

The nurse at HPHP told me they only get motel rooms as an extension of a stay in the hospital.

I guess I'm really lousy at saying thank you.

But I do thank you.

And my mother thanks you.
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on October 04, 2006, 08:23 PM:
 
You're welcome - it was no big deal, really.

Hi Craig's mom [Smile] He did say thank you in person too, and he has very nice manners in 'real' life [Wink]
 
Posted by Ol' Al (Member # 1813) on October 05, 2006, 08:56 AM:
 
PSB/Craig,
Sounds like things have been incrementally better lately. I hope that trend continues.
You're welcome.
Hi, Craig's Mom!
 
Posted by cagey (Member # 1919) on October 06, 2006, 06:20 AM:
 
Hey Craig - can you check your regular emails and try to get back to me tonight if you can? You can call me at the number I gave you after 2 today if you want. Someone here is going to take me to Costco this weekend to look for some of the stuff that you need, and I need some details and sizes. The guys I live with might have some of it, too.

Do you (or anyone) have any ideas of the best way to keep your laptop dry if you're out in the rain all night? Those big hard waterproof cases are really heavy and expensive. I found one reasonably cheap soft waterproof one, but I can't tell if it would fit inside your regular case or not. The dimensions of your laptop and case would be helpful. I'm picturing some sort of rubberish envelope thingie - maybe boating supply stores sell something like that. I also can't remember if you said that you needed a tent or not. Thanks [Smile]
 


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