The Santa Cruz County Office of Education has expressed interest in this project, perhaps with a delivery system through the ROPs, coordinated with the South county proposals on Building Trades education.
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quote:Given that they died primarily of substance abuse problems, it seems that the homelessness is just an artifact of the abuse, no?
County figures show chronic liver disease and other drug- and alcohol-related ailments were leading causes of death in 2006. The average age at death was 49.
quote:There is one person who posts to this forum who also represents a proven track record of raising funds n Santa Cruz County.
Lots is wrong. How to fix?
quote:Exactly. There's a practical community management problem around homelessness too, and the entire community is better off when we address it. Some of the best advice I ever got when I was running the center came from people who were not at all motivated by compassion, but by wanting to see practical solutions and the best use of their tax dollars.
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
Perhaps just people not obsessed with looking over their shoulder. There is a real, non-altruistic reason to house the homeless in public health and in efficient distribution of assistance.
quote:Bleeding heart that I am, I still agree. I went out of my way to make sure that we had some hard-nosed pragmatists on our Board of Directors so that my emotions didn't get in the way of our ability to make good strategic decisions. Any number of times one of my male staff members would have to pull me aside and make rather crude comparisons to breast feeding when I would get carried away with sympathy for some kid's problems.
The zoning is a problem, but like many problems, all solutions are bad but some are more bad. Compassion is allowed to enter the equation, but if it rules, then reality can be disapointing.
quote:I know I should object to that, but at least you called us 'ladies'.
As we used to say before it became politically incorrect, "If it was easy we'd have the ladys do it."
quote:I would think that getting the ears warmed up enough to finally shake that (cold night outside) headache would probably seem like a pretty good investment at about 3 a.m.. A warm room and a puff of spliff won't be wasted just because we gave it away without any strings attached to someone who wanted it - even if they brought all their problems down upon themselves - even if they want the spliff more than they "need" it.
But what do we do with the money?"
quote:But, LWard's comment seemed far more accurate:
What started as a party and/or a rebellion ended up leaving them on the street with no job skills and not much hope for their future.
quote:Indeed, what judge or politician could send a vagrant to the "Work House" (or suggest any nicer sounding "practical solutions") without quickly running into the brick wall of entrenched special interests protecting the Super Wealthy / Illegal Alien "Axis"?
"The complicity or intentional blinders of law enforcement at all levels accommodates the illegal importation of foreign labor for appropriate trades at that skill level."
quote:How about if we just let them all sleep in the spacious lobby of the fabulous brand new City & County Government $52 Fifty Two Million Dollar "Palace" in downtown Watsonville?
Where could Santa Cruz (County) put 1,000 20 x 8 shelters?
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quote:Walter, I have to tell you, that is my favorite post of yours for me of all time. It says a lot about you that I regretfully missed in most of your posts. Forgive me. You have a real heart in the right place. I take back every attack I ever made on you. We're on the same page with that post and I salute your total humanity. Thank you.
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
We really need to resolve the homeless problem. We can not throw talent away, nor can we dehumanize even the raunchiest. A non judgemental approach seems to be the cheapest way. Shelter, food, opportunity. Guidance where acceptable. Most of us have some talent, and if we can hold down the overhead we can make our way. I have been outside the ordinary since 1975, so I know that not everyone need march to the same drummer.
quote:Excellent post, Walter. Thank you. A good Christmas gift to be able to see into where your heart is.
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
We really need to resolve the homeless problem. We can not throw talent away, nor can we dehumanize even the raunchiest. A non judgemental approach seems to be the cheapest way. Shelter, food, opportunity. Guidance where acceptable. Most of us have some talent, and if we can hold down the overhead we can make our way.
quote:I just knew it. See if you can find that Kelly Luker METRO article about the same of incidents involving other people. Time for somebody to get busted here!
Yes, it's the Patels.
quote:Now, now Cagey - we've been over this one. PSB laid out his plan in an earlier thread, which included booting anyone who chose any drug other than pot, and anyone he found unacceptable.
Originally posted by cagey:
...Come up with a real plan that is actually implementable and fundable, and that works for everyone and not just you...
quote:... and PSB would have to be in charge.
Originally posted by ericr:
quote:Now, now Cagey - we've been over this one. PSB laid out his plan in an earlier thread, which included booting anyone who chose any drug other than pot, and anyone he found unacceptable.
Originally posted by cagey:
...Come up with a real plan that is actually implementable and fundable, and that works for everyone and not just you...
quote:OT, but I'd have to disagree - my breadth courses, while initially dreaded, turned out to be some of my favorites, and opened my eyes to concepts I hadn't even considered, even if the information was 'at my fingertips'. To me, that is the essence of education.
Originally posted by flyfisher:
...We then need to reform the university and college level programs to teach only the subject that the student needs to learn- I understand the need for a well rounded education,however all the information we need today is at our fingertips.If the student is a math wiz do not make him take geology classes-the student could therefore be out school in 2 years instead of 4-
...After all our goal for kids is to have them be stable tax paying members of society is it not?...
quote:I know. I already am crazy, so I get to do the same thing over and over again and expect to get a different result
Originally posted by homer:
quote:... and PSB would have to be in charge.
Originally posted by ericr:
quote:Now, now Cagey - we've been over this one. PSB laid out his plan in an earlier thread, which included booting anyone who chose any drug other than pot, and anyone he found unacceptable.
Originally posted by cagey:
...Come up with a real plan that is actually implementable and fundable, and that works for everyone and not just you...
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quote:What kind of preparation is required for formal Trades apprenticeships? If a person with only the most rudimentary skills wanted to apprentice as a carpenter, what would they have to do? My recollection is that they needed a union sponsor, their own tools and to pay a few hundred bucks. Are there tests they have to pass to prove a minimum skill level? What exactly is the sponsor responsible for?
Originally posted by lookwithin:
The CAB program, based in Watsonville, was designed to offer to women a basic Trades education, to prepare them for a formal apprenticeship in one of the Building Trades.
quote:Cool - I didn't know you did that. Or maybe I did and just forgot, because I bet we would have put that in the GT ad. Did you have to pay the Unions to help or did they do it as volunteers?
It was backed by the construction Unions, who supply by far the majority of training in this field. I served on the founding Board of Women's Ventures.
quote:It would be interesting to find out the long-term placement stats. Is five weeks really enough training?
The last that I heard, funding was running out, and the program had been reduced to a 5 week period, and I do't know much about their current placement percentages, or their career success rate after, say, five years.
quote:Something like that would be amazing for homeless teens. It's hard for them to have the stability they need to attend classes when they're sleeping in the woods in or squats, but the kids in Above the Line (transitional housing for homeless teens)could really benefit from something like that. I bet people would be more likely to sponsor a kid than they were with homeless adults.
I recently taught a 12 week Pre-Apprenticeship class... The program allowed for direct entry into the Carpenters Apprenticeship Program upon completion, but four of the graduates are taking exams for Sheet Metal, Plumbing, and Electrical Apprenticeships, and two are headed to the Cement Masons program.
quote:If you really get going on this one, I'll help with grantwriting and administrivia if you want. I'd love to see something like that happen, and once it exists there might be ways to slide a few homeless teens in there.
The Santa Cruz County Office of Education has expressed interest in this project, perhaps with a delivery system through the ROPs, coordinated with the South county proposals on Building Trades education.
quote:You're never going to win this argument. Journalists need a good science background. Biologists need a good English composition and critical thinking background. It's a job requirement, not just a nice idea.
Originally posted by flyfisher:
My daughter is in her last year of Journalism at CSULB, the only problem she had at the school was getting requisite classes because they were full all the time.
quote:We had straight numeric grading in high school, where 90+ was an A, 80-89 was a B, etc. It wasn't until I hit college that I really had to study hard to keep up with the kids with no social lives. I think curve grading in HS is a terrible idea. I don't think kids that age need to be constantly compared to everyone else and found lacking, or get the idea that you're some kind of superstar because they can be at the top of a 15 year old's curve. Is that really how they do it in HS now?
Originally posted by LWard:
When I was in high school, teachers used to grade on a curve. Success was defined by leaving the losers in the dust. Other than adding more standardized tests to the mix, has anything changed?
quote:Finucane or others might know for sure, but I think there is now a tendency to pass most anybody who shows up for classes. Teachers let the standardized tests separate the winners from the losers. I'm not sure what's worse, bolstering self-esteem at the expense of functional competition, or visa versa.
Originally posted by cagey:
I think curve grading in HS is a terrible idea. I don't think kids that age need to be constantly compared to everyone else and found lacking, or get the idea that you're some kind of superstar because they can be at the top of a 15 year old's curve. Is that really how they do it in HS now?
quote:That is absolutely ludicrous and a complete lie. River Street Shelter has been there for almost 2 decades and as you pointed out, residents have chores every morning. That is a completely ridiculous statement, not to mention that the chances that you would have cleaned the whole shelter when you whine about light morning chores and about how it's too much work to walk a few blocks for a free shower doesn't even pass the straight face test.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
The toilet in that filthy flop-house you call a shelter had never been cleaned until I arrived. They just went to the main building and used that one. Nor had the floor in the bunkroom been swept and mopped. I did it, and I was the ONLY one that did it.
quote:Sure we can talk about it. Why don't you get the budget and their funding agreements so that you aren't just talking out of your *** again? It's not worth talking to you if you're going to make things up and repeat street rumors with no factual evidence. Real explanations don't require lying and exaggerating, btw.
Let's talk about receiving $800-$1100 per month per person from a funding source, which gives you a minimum of $24,000/month to house 30 people, with as many as 8 to a room.
quote:Well stated by the guy who pretends pot is a suitable medication as he rants at the world and refuses to use his SSDI for housing because it interferes with his drug habit.
...after the junkies with psyciatric problems get back from their touchy-feely sessions (in a van) and the staff counts their pills.
quote:What chores? You just said that you were the only one to clean the place in 20 years. You really should work out the details of your lies a little better so that they don't contradict each other.
The chores are primarily make-work
quote:Thanks Craig - I'm sorry I'm being so snarky today. I'm freaking out over my trees. It isn't really even the money that I'm so upset about. It sounds stupid, but whenever I start getting sick that's where I go to hide from everything until I feel better and now it's gone. I know I should feel lucky to have this place and not be crying over some trees. I have acres of trees but I really loved those ones.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
Cagey, I do appreciate your help. But the fact is I have, through abuse and adversity that I could never imagine in my wildest dreams, managed to keep on keeping on, day after day after day. There is only one reason for this and it is cannabis.
quote:Do you just want to know because you're curious, or do you get some inheritance if you figure it out, or are you trying to figure out the genetic connection to bipolar disorder or...? I'm not sure that I believe it's genetic (but it is kind of fun to remind my mom that it might be when she starts b!tching at me about it.
...now, I intend to figure out the genealogy of Barbara Hume (my I forgot how many greats grand-mother) before I die...
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quote:True. And one absolutely dedicated to every cause he embraced. His suicide is a true shame. No matter what things he may have occasionally done that were clumsy, he always did his best. I will miss him, and grieve for whatever pain he may have felt that drove him to feel suicide his only way out. May he rest in peace.
Originally posted by cagey:
Paul was a good man who really cared about homeless people.
quote:LOL
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
We need a pee test for stupidity.
quote:Wanna bet that our county affordable housing programs alse receive federal grant money? In that case, we know that the US Govt beauracrats wiil not permit medical marijuana use on their subsidized properties.
Do you know if medical marijuana patients will be excluded? Will they drug-test like they do in every other subsidized housing in the city and county? Everywhere I've been makes you sign a statement that you will not be under the INFLUENCE of 'illegal' drugs...and they consider cannabais an illegal drug. I've been homeless 6 months now because I can't pass a blood-test...
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quote:Yah Buzz!
It's funny we've hardly advanced at all.
quote:The
and forget bus ticket offers-itll hafta be a plane ticket to Holland-and soon it will be outlawed there even.
quote:What are **** locations?
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
a 20x8 container could accomodate a couple of friends or one grouch in sanitary conditions....
Obviously we need real **** locations like under bridges, inside freeway loops and wherever, and a dial a ride or a community golf cart, but I will bet, hell I'll guarantee it would cost less than what we have now.
I love the 'ruined' image. To ruin a restaurant in the Bronx you'd have to burn it down.quote:Carolyn was very proud of that park.
When in downtown Decatur, visit Delano Park, a historic greenspace that has been preserved by the City of Decatur. The park was founded in 1877 when the well-known New York architect, Nathan Franklin Barrett, was selected to design Decatur, then called the "Gateway City," with a large park running through the town. Carolyn Cortner Smith, Alabama's first licensed female architect, designed the stone structures in the park that were built by the WPA in the 1930's.
http://cramer.house.gov/HoR/AL05/5th+District/Morgan/Morgan+County.htm
quote:And now you lie in your own filth and complain that people wont give you free stuff whilst puffin a doob. Wow. You were the great hope of your family?
I have played oboe, clarinette, guitar, organ, piano, and I sing. In high school I placed in the top all-state band first on clarinette, and twice on oboe. I couldn't play either now and don't really want to. I was a prodigy on piano.
Hate to see the rest of your clan.
quote:Why does that mean a lot?
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
And it's BRICK. That means a lot in Alabama.
quote:Really. I'm sure there's a puppy needing to be kicked somewhere until someone starts talking about Clinton again
Originally posted by LWard:
Could you find a weaker non-combatant to attack?
quote:For some reason when I was a kid I always wanted to live in a brick house with ivy growing on the sides (if I couldn't have a thatched roof, that is.)
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
Tornadoes, for one thing.
It's expensive, for another.
quote:Good for you. Was it the kind of place where everyone in town knows who came in your front door in an hour?
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
[QB]I also was inviting a black classmate, Vesta Coleman over to our house and making sure she came in the front door. This was during the race riots.
quote:LOL great description
... or the local rable rousing minister (that means he had busts of Kennedy and King in the living room and read books).
quote:You seem healthy enough to farm your weed. Why not go to monterey and pick lettuce or some other 'job americans dont want'? Earn an income instead of subjecting others to your parade of pitty.
I am disabled, therefore it is abuse of the disabled.
quote:Oh, probably for the same reaason that you subject the rest of us to your wacko nasty attitude and endless spouting of childish hatred and bitterness. Why don't you take up a sport or something to help you work off some of that agro energy? Or maybe you could get some couseling to help with that little anger management problem of yours. You know it's bad when 2 admittedly diagnosed folks are talking and you're the one sounding like a wack job.
Originally posted by Ditto:
quote:You seem healthy enough to farm your weed. Why not go to monterey and pick lettuce or some other 'job americans dont want'? Earn an income instead of subjecting others to your parade of pitty.
I am disabled, therefore it is abuse of the disabled.
quote:The opinion of an admittedly diagnosed folk doesnt impress me. PSB cries and whines about living on the streets yet he can afford a laptop and kick out 2 bucks an hour for net time. Hes healthy enough to harvest maryjane but cant go get a job to improve his lifestyle. I have no sympathy. His priorities are misplaced.
You know it's bad when 2 admittedly diagnosed folks are talking and you're the one sounding like a wack job.
quote:Lucky you
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
He was just as handsome, and just as charming.
quote:I had this alcoholic grandmother whose mission in life seemed to be to get me to drink brandy with her. The smell still makes me mad to this day. I hate the taste of hard liquor.
And it was a long long time before I ever wanted to try that again.
quote:That must have been great considering how judgmental most people around you were. Family sounds really important to you. I don’t do too well with mine either, but I just grit my teeth, try to fake being what they want for a week and keep the peace.
Seems Jon had some weed, and we smoked a joint. Chatted awhile - I felt I'd found a friend, and he was also family
quote:Who knows? I used to think that there was a person I could feel that way, but now I don’t let myself believe in anything that I can’t prove to myself is real. It's boringly rational but I feel safer that way.
But the thing was, after that I could feel his presence around me. We had a psychic connection. And I have wondered if that doesn't have something to do with the genetic closeness.
quote:Well I’m glad you didn’t. My mom pulled the same thing and told me that I had to settle down and stay at home and behave or I couldn’t go to college. I got a scholarship instead.
The best I can figure, they gave him the choice of spending the summer with me in California and paying for his own education, or ending it. I drove home and took a bottle of pills. While I wouldn't call it a serious suicide attempt, it would have been fine with me if I died.
quote:It never is, even when you wish it was sometimes. She sounds like she cares about you a lot, even if it's not always perfect.
And I remember her saying, "It's not the end of the world," when I opened my eyes.
quote:That’s pretty cool. I couldn’t have pulled it together that fast.
And I played that damned opening night somehow. And I played the rest of the performances.
quote:Tell me about it. There’s nothing like having the absolutely worst moments of your life happen with an audience and then having to hear about it forever. Ugh.
And, by the way, the whole town knew I had OD'd and why.
quote:you heard wrong.
From what I hear, the VA has really good services for vets that need some help getting it together emotionally after coming home.
quote:Prior to the earthquake the Palomar and St. George Hotel on the mall housed lots and lots of seniors and folks on disability. During the rebulding they decided to house only seniors in an effort to sanitize the mall. It was a huge loss of SRO housing for mentally ill folks and lots never found housing again after the earthquake because they couldn't meet the clean and sober criteria for supportive housing. At the St. George they didn't need anyone's help - they paid their rent and lived like anyone else. It was a pretty wild scene in there but pretty fun too sometimes. I was homeless when I got here for awhile and I used to stay there for $14 a night in 1982 when I had job interviews the next day. Some of Santa Cruz's wackiest characters lived there. (Does anyone else remember Bert Glick the poet who tried to pick up women all day with his poems, or Ozymandius?) I think monthly rentals cost about $200 a month back then. Now no one wants SRO housing near them. I'm pretty sure that you have to be at least 55 to live in the Palomar now.
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
Where I live, I couldn't afford within 3 states if I moved. Cutting the low end of housing off was one of the most evil consequences of zoning.I believe we have only three trailor - excuse me, Mobile Home Courts left on the peninsula. Shame on us.
quote:But it's not the presence of zoning itself that cuts it off -- it's zoning power in the hands of hypocrites and bigots; the type who claim to favor diversity and inclusion in public, but the moment the doors are closed lobby to prevent anything other than their own class' housing from being built.
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
Cutting the low end of housing off was one of the most evil consequences of zoning.
quote:I didn't have anything pulled together. I didn't go back to high-school after that. I flunked everything the last quarter, and may have flunked everything the last two quarters, and still graduated in the top 10% of the class.
And I played that damned opening night somehow. And I played the rest of the performances.
That’s pretty cool. I couldn’t have pulled it together that fast.
quote:I was accepted in the Bronx High School of Science but my mother wouldn’t let me go to public school because she believed I’d be one of the only white kids there. She wouldn’t even read the articles I gave her about what a good school it was. Instead, she made me go to an all-girls Catholic high school that I had gotten a partial scholarship to. We were really poor and the better school was free, but she insisted I go to the other one and then complained about the cost for 4 years even though I had been working since I was 13 and paid for a lot of it myself. I still can’t believe we paid so much to send me to a school that assumed that the only possible future I could want was to be a teacher, a nurse or a nun. Anything else was ‘unladylike’. Pfffft. It must have felt great to have been accepted to Sewanee, especially given all the other stuff going on with your life at the time.
Most of the town's upper crust (can't think of a better term) decided to pay, and pay rather dearly, to prevent their children from associating with blacks, other than as servants.
quote:Life is just so ironic sometimes
Among other things there was an orgy with a couple of Pent-House …But I wasn't straight.
quote:I have hundreds of bizarre ‘on the road and tripping’ stories, but most are too embarrassing now to recount. It’s a miracle I still have any brain cells left. I never once called my mom for help though – I didn’t want to hear all the ‘I told you so’ lectures.
I did return to my disreputable friends and we did acid and got on the freeway and drove South. They began to trip and I ended up driving, taking a hit of green microdot every half hour or so... and we spent the night tripping in the woods. And the sheriff came by in the morning… but anyway his lawyer did get us out and we went back to Atlanta and I called my mother and she came and got me and I went home.
quote:Geez. That’s a hell of a lot to deal with in a short timeframe. A lot of my behavior was blamed on my dad’s death, but I don’t know. It seems like a copout to attribute it all to that.
To learn my mother had divorced my father.
quote:When you first used that word I thought you were being sarcastic, but I was thinking about that last night and I know what you mean. That’s how I felt after I got so sick, and I guess I still do feel that way sometimes. I think it’s less about what others think than it is about what we think others think. I came to the conclusion that people spend most of their time thinking about themselves just like we do, and aren’t paying all that much attention anyway. (Or at least that’s what I tell myself – it’s less embarrassing.)
So I was really ruined.
quote:I'm not sure if that was supposed to make us feel embarrassed for talking about this stuff, but no one is being forced to read it.
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
Novel, movie or sitcom?
quote:If I know you cagey, you will draw out the bum's story here and then complile it to show him how he really could write an interesting book. I see right through you!
Originally posted by cagey:
quote:I'm not sure if that was supposed to make us feel embarrassed for talking about this stuff, but no one is being forced to read it.
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
Novel, movie or sitcom?
quote:Having to feel like there was something terribly wrong with you when there isn't anything you can do to change it must have been incredibly frustrating and depressing, especially when you're smart enough to know that there isn't a damn thing wrong with what you are and they're just too bigoted to get it. But, when you're so outnumbered it doesn't matter who's right.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
And it was exactly like being shunned, and worse...People would leave when you entered a business, restaurant, or anywhere...he never had any more to do with me...And other family members.
quote:I can understand that. I pretty much stopped talking to almost everyone I knew when I got really sick, and just let it stay that way I guess. I completely get the part of not being willing to let it be someone else's problem.
I did have friends and relatives that stood by me, but I could see they were being harmed as well, and particularly my parents, which had a lot to do with why I left.
quote:I'm trying to imagine growing up in an environment where racism and homophobia are the cultural norms and where everyone knows everyone else's business, but I really can't. It isn't like there wasn't plenty of bigotry around me growing up, but most people were ashamed to say it around people that didn't agree with them. In a city of millions, there is no predominant mindset so there are always ways to escape it.
Having deep roots and being connected I now see that I was immune to much of the violence and harassment that I could have suffered.
quote:Shades of Carolyn Bushenhart! This isn't the first time, that somebody who doesn't even live in the city of Santa Cruz, told the homeless bums to get out of their town. OK, then lets build a new campground in Corralitas so he can take back his town...
Craig, since when have you been hanging out in Corralitos? Luckily for you, last time I checked the City of SC wasn't a private landholding so I'm guessing the 'our town' thing is a bit overstated.
quote:LOL
Originally posted by captainkidd1953:
OK, then lets build a new campground in Corralitas so he can take back his town...
quote:Definitely. There's a whole lot of subjects that I feel strongly about where I have to accept that other people just have different values and see things in different ways and that it doesn't make them wrong or evil. Homophobia is one of the ones I just don't get though. How anyone could sincerely care who other consenting adults have sex with is just beyond me. There are so many real atrocities in the world to worry about.
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
Tolerance ain't love, but it will do most days.
quote:Bye bye!
Originally posted by Corralitos Resident:
Time to take out the trash.
quote:What? Are you leaving Mak?
Originally posted by Mahakala:
quote:Bye bye!
Originally posted by Corralitos Resident:
Time to take out the trash.
quote:I wouldn't do that to you, Homer. I know how you need me.
Originally posted by homer:
Are you leaving Mak?
quote:http://www.ftb.ca.gov/individuals/faq/ivr/203.html
Originally posted by Buzz Daly:
Yep, he was tired of subsidizing homeowners who get special treatment, and write off the interest on their home payments. He was wondering why this was so, not that he was against someone getting a tax break, he just was wondering why renters don't get something like that, since they work as hard as anyone else, and pay taxes like everyone else. My new friend, Jesus, wondered why this unfair use of his taxes is allowed.
quote:It didn't take long to replace Winston with a clone much like himself. We'll have to see if this guy is another BushCo fan too...
Originally posted by Corralitos Resident:
Time to take out the trash.
quote:To me, CR sounds more like the third (?) appearance of POC, who once upon a time started a thread called "Useless Eaters."
Originally posted by captainkidd1953:
quote:It didn't take long to replace Winston with a clone much like himself. We'll have to see if this guy is another BushCo fan too...
Originally posted by Corralitos Resident:
Time to take out the trash.
quote:Both are likely Timothy C. May of the ba.mountain-folk Usenet group (among others).
To me, CR sounds more like the third (?) appearance of POC, who once upon a time started a thread called "Useless Eaters."
quote:I missed POC, but is it your sense that if he is that person, that he really believes that stuff or is just trolling for attention?
Originally posted by trenobus:
ecliptic remembers the bad old days with:
quote:Both are likely Timothy C. Mays of the ba.mountain-folk Usenet group (among others).
To me, CR sounds more like the third (?) appearance of POC, who once upon a time started a thread called "Useless Eaters."
quote:My guess is both. With beliefs like that, he probably gets shunned and starved for attention. Though it's curious that he bothers to try to be anonymous here without actually assuming a different persona. Perhaps he simply can't control the hatred that spews out of him.
I missed POC, but is it your sense that if he is that person, that he really believes that stuff or is just trolling for attention?
quote:Indeed, especially since he is quite intelligent. Proving once again, I suppose, that intelligence is not enough.
Annoying, but still kind of sad.
quote:Well, now that he's destroyed the "santa-cruz newsgroups," he's probably looking for new discussion boards to ruin. The guy ought to be permanently shipped off to Camp Mormon.
Originally posted by trenobus:
Both are likely Timothy C. Mays of the ba.mountain-folk Usenet group (among others).
quote:Careful with your spelling Dude! Don't you really mean Camp MORON. A name like that fits him perfectly. There should be a place for those idiots...
The guy ought to be permanently shipped off to Camp Mormon.
quote:Personally, I'm happy about any and all tax breaks and writeoffs an individual or family of normal means can find to take advantage of, but just for arguments sake would you be ok with the above substitutions? I don't really think parents shouldn't get to claim their kids, but some of you that choose to reproduce get to take deductions we childless folks don't. We pay taxes for schools that we don't take advantage of (although again, personally I like education and have no problem paying a share.) I'm just trying to figure out if you're against all writeoffs or see mortgage interest as a unique situation.
Originally posted by Buzz Daly:
And, the ultimate question is: Why be able to write off children at all? What is the rationale for this? Is it a reward for being fortunate enough to be a parent?...Doesn't make much sense, other than a perk inserted into law by some vote seeking politician who is probably a parent
)quote:You're supposed to post a picture of your adams apple before you mention miniskirts, remember?
Originally posted by Buzz Daly:
BTW--Mr. T, I believe, called you "his", or "him", in a post. Memo to Mr. T: From what I've heard, KG is allegedly a woman who wears miniskirts, and many have claimed to see her, but I haven't.
quote:Hmmm. The only calls for shipping people off to camps around here came from one of you libs. (Camp Mormon indeed!)
Originally posted by trenobus:
Next thing you know, the "vermin" are being herded off to camps.
quote:He's actually a very bright guy who has made some contributions to society:
I think we should be glad that a genuine scumbag got the boot.
quote:Tren, I'm a little confused. You say I made a hasty(implying wrong I think) judgement on this person, whom you describe as mentally ill in the same post! With his high tech background(assuming you are right), he should know that immigrants account for about 25% of the brainpower in high tech start ups. If he was just trying to push buttons, as a link you provided suggested, it worked, and now he's gone.
Originally posted by trenobus:
pdskee made a hasty value judgment with:
quote:He's actually a very bright guy who has made some contributions to society:
I think we should be glad that a genuine scumbag got the boot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_C._May
but see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Timothy_C._May
I don't know him personally, but he does a pretty good imitation of someone who's mentally ill from where I'm sitting.
quote:Ah, but you are provably wrong, whereas I may still be right. At least by my definitions of "scumbag" and "mentally ill".
You say I made a hasty(implying wrong I think) judgement on this person, whom you describe as mentally ill in the same post!
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quote:Only in the same way that I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. I think Mak can back me up on that.
Tren, now knowing, thanks to you, the supposed background of CR, and your rush to his defense, one must wonder if you and he are one and the same?
quote:(bolding mine)
Originally posted by Buzz Daly:
I agree, Pdskee--however, since I didn't see the offending posts, I have no idea what those standards are, and, as much as I really love Kimo, I have no idea what his criteria are, or whether they are fair or not. Of course, I could just shut up and move on, which is probably what I'll do. Wouldn't want to infringe on the Sentinel's private property, by having a differeent opinion. Enjoy, my friends, most of you have no clue what Freedom is. It would be more helpful to leave them up as bad examples, than take them down and remove all evidence of whether they were or were not Hate speech. This is the second time this BS has been done here. I never saw any evidence whatsoever that Gull_Beak exhibited any emotion that was not prevalent in our society, and others as well, concerning Saddam and his necktie party, and his diatribes against radical muslims. If you remain silent, and, acquiesence in this crock of used Kimchee, it is rather disturbing. Hope you get a nice suntan, KG. Adios, Amigos. Enjoy your semi-free Forum and many thanks to the Sentinel. Peace.
quote:I can: I don't know why he says goodbye; I say hello.
Originally posted by trenobus:
Only in the same way that I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. I think Mak can back me up on that.
quote:But *I* am the Walrus!
Originally posted by Mahakala:
quote:I can: I don't know why he says goodbye; I say hello.
Originally posted by trenobus:
Only in the same way that I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. I think Mak can back me up on that.
quote:Exactly.
I can: I don't know why he says goodbye; I say hello.
quote:No, you are the Eggman.
Originally posted by homer:
quote:But *I* am the Walrus!
Originally posted by Mahakala:
quote:I can: I don't know why he says goodbye; I say hello.
Originally posted by trenobus:
Only in the same way that I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. I think Mak can back me up on that.
quote:One of the best lyrics ever written.
Originally posted by trenobus:
Mak brings it with:
quote:Exactly.
I can: I don't know why he says goodbye; I say hello.
then the kids think the same of my old music-normal generation music gap......quote:Wow! You's a lucky guy!!!!
Originally posted by mulepig:
got a beatles collection fer Christmas on CDs about 10 of em......
quote:That's the ONE thing I favor with LP's over CD's -- the size of the art. Still have several hundred LP's for that reason...
Originally posted by mulepig:
miss the old albums n me n friends always whining about the needle being screwed up n wrecking the old vinyl records-with real good art on the covers
quote:NEVER knew that. Gotta listen to it again now that I know. Makes sense. Huh...
Originally posted by mulepig:
got "in a gada da vida"(Iron butterfly) CD too!(was meant to be "in the garden of eden" but they were a bit high n let the title stand.
quote:Why?
Originally posted by Mahakala:
One of the best lyrics ever written.
And the fireman rushes in
From the pouring rain
Very strange
quote:The best after maybe 20 or 30 by this guy.
Originally posted by Mahakala:
quote:One of the best lyrics ever written.
Originally posted by trenobus:
Mak brings it with:
quote:Exactly.
I can: I don't know why he says goodbye; I say hello.
quote:I'm with you, but I think this requires a poll. I think it's one of those critical pieces of information you just have to know about people.
Originally posted by homer:
The best after maybe 20 or 30 by this guy.
quote:My cousin Jim went to live with my grandmother for a couple of years. Evidently he was getting into trouble in Birmingham (I think he was hustling the gay bars...).
Tradition has it that he ran away from home to join his brother who was an officer in the British Army, but finding that his brother was dead, he drifted southward and finally settled in Virginia.
quote:I bet. It's terrible to have to leave your family, but that environment was just so poisonous for you. I had my little family problems, but nothing at all like what you went through. I don't really know why I ran away all the time. Sometimes I would storm out in a dramatic hissy fit and be too proud to go back right away, but I know a lot of times I created those scenes to have an excuse to take off. It wasn't like I was abused or in a terrible situation or anything. I just felt better when I was off on my own.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
I don't think the running-away was so much a sympton of any illnes as it was a normal reaction to an intolerable situation.
quote:Among mine it was highly unusual not to be an alcoholic or unemployed on a permanent basis.
Among my ancestors, at least, it wasn't all that unusual.
quote:sheesh...you've probably got a better memory for the feel of the situation than anyone with a few years under their belt than anyone i know. and add a diagnosis? don't worry about the chronology...keep writing if you feel like informing and entertaining us with your tale. you are a very talented writer, psb. you should thing about copywriting this stuff though. someone could steal some and these scenes and work them into a movie, they are that good. i much prefer this side of you than the "go to hell" side.
I've been trying to remember. The thing is, those years were jumbled. Five or more years, maybe ten. It's really difficult for me to put things in chronological sequence.
quote:ha ha.
Trenobus's technique of introducing quotes with snide theatrical 'asides’ spreads like flu in a labor camp with:
quote:
Originally posted by conSCious:
not that i want to get in a p*ssing match with l'ard, but maybe you can help him out with writing with a sentence like below:
quote:ha ha.
Trenobus's technique of introducing quotes with snide theatrical 'asides’ spreads like flu in a labor camp with:
quote:no, no, no, here's another clue for you more, the Walrus was Paul...wait a minute...you mean homer is actually Paul?
Originally posted by homer:
quote:But *I* am the Walrus!
Originally posted by Mahakala:
quote:I can: I don't know why he says goodbye; I say hello.
Originally posted by trenobus:
Only in the same way that I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. I think Mak can back me up on that.
quote:Wait, back up a minute. Who were the Victors and why did they have a menagerie?
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
by the time the Victors took me in I was far too stressed and traumatized to cope with half a dozen people. Half a dozen dogs. And half a dozen birds. And I mean BIG birds. The kind you DO NOT piss off.
quote:That's better than being totally sane and mean and selfish IMO. They had a tornado in their yard?
The Victors are kind, generous people but they are TOTALLY NUTS. But then again, after all they'd been through to have a tornado come charging through the back yard....
quote:Kept? That sounds interesting. How did that happen? I'm too much of a pain in the *** for anyone to pay to keep, and it sounds like something that comes with a lot of rules. What was it like?
I arrived in San Francisco in 1980, hitch-hiking from New Orleans. I was being kept and it wasn't going well and I wanted a real job....
quote:I'm thinking there's yet another story there...
When the Navy gave me an honorable discharge if I promised never to try to join again...
quote:All of that about New Orleans sounds wonderful. I've always wanted to go there but never got around to it. Everyone I've ever know that wanted to go wanted to go for Mardi Gras but I hate being in crowds of drunk people. I'll get there one of these years.
I could write a book about that alone.
quote:I love the way you put that
Living life is an art in New Orleans. No where else have I lived where so much attention is given to style. Where style is substance.
So why did you leave?
quote:Nope, Mak was right. I am the Eggman.
Originally posted by LocalYokel:
quote:no, no, no, here's another clue for you more, the Walrus was Paul...wait a minute...you mean homer is actually Paul?
Originally posted by homer:
quote:But *I* am the Walrus!
Originally posted by Mahakala:
quote:I can: I don't know why he says goodbye; I say hello.
Originally posted by trenobus:
Only in the same way that I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. I think Mak can back me up on that.
quote:I agree with that. Gotta great quote from James McMurtry: "Whiskey don't make liars; it just makes fools. I didn't mean to say that, but I meant what I said." I'm going from memory, so I may not have it word for word or line for line, but that's the gist of it.
Originally posted by cagey:
I've never quite bought the troller excuse that they don't really mean the things that they say or that they just say them to get a reaction, any more than I buy that people don't mean the things they say when they're drunk. Your inhibitions might be lowered by alcohol or anonymity, but that stuff is coming from somewhere.
quote:he he he. pay attention l'ard and the irony might hit you in the butt. probly not.
The irony whooshes over conXious's head as he posts on the wrong thread:
quote:
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Originally posted by conSCious:
not that i want to get in a p*ssing match with l'ard, but maybe you can help him out with writing with a sentence like below:
quote:
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Trenobus's technique of introducing quotes with snide theatrical 'asides’ spreads like flu in a labor camp with:
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ha ha.
quote:Finally!!!!
Originally posted by homer:
Nope, Mak was right.
quote:Whew......
Originally posted by homer:
I am the Eggman.
Seiously, you have a good book in you and I hope you write it someday.
quote:They are the eggman...so it's you with all the aliases.
Originally posted by homer:
quote:Nope, Mak was right. I am the Eggman.
Originally posted by LocalYokel:
quote:no, no, no, here's another clue for you more, the Walrus was Paul...wait a minute...you mean homer is actually Paul?
Originally posted by homer:
quote:But *I* am the Walrus!
Originally posted by Mahakala:
quote:I can: I don't know why he says goodbye; I say hello.
Originally posted by trenobus:
Only in the same way that I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. I think Mak can back me up on that.
quote:You had my head spinning for a moment!
Originally posted by cassandra2:
Arrrrgh....or confuse good television with bad beer. Note to self; Dont post until night meds wear off and coffee kicks in! My bad.
quote:I worked in the bars at night, went out with friends afterwards, had coffee and read the paper and then went home and slept on the roof to keep my tan up.
Lorraine was born in the back room of a Chinese laundry. "My dad owned a laundry long before he went into the restaurant business," she explained. "He had Tulane students working for him for 25 cents a week.
"There were eight children in our family so he had to work hard. My oldest sister was born in China but the rest of us were born in the U.S.A.," she said.
Lorraine learned the restauant business at a very young age. "I worked from the time I was 13, and I still work. I opened my very own restaurant in 1968 and had a nightclub also. Both were very successful."
She sold out in 1979 and opened the Imperial Palace Regency at the Hyatt in New Orleans. "The building was 13,000-square-feet and we could seat 450 people. Again, I had a successful business."
...Lorraine still has fond memories of growing up in New Orleans. She was a champion swimmer in school, and also rode in the Mardi Gras parade in 1975 as queen of the Krewe of Venus.
"I was the very first non-Caucasian or minority queen ever to ride," she said. "My daughter Victoria rode as the Mardi Gras Washington Ball queen and my granddaughter Destin also rode in Mardi Gras as the Washington Ball queen."
http://www.lowcountrynow.com/stories/101200/LOCallens.shtml
quote:Craig, my man, you are missing your calling! Write that book. In fact, write lots of them. Although I am not a literary expert, and certainly have no talent for writing, I do believe that I know what it is when I read it.
It was magic.
I could write a book about that alone.
quote:Google has a free word processing program. I haven't tried, but I'll bet it's top shelf.
Originally posted by cagey:
It would drive me nuts to write that much in web forms or using notepad. Does anyone know of any open source word processors that are ready for prime time and don't lose all their formatting when opened in Word?
quote:Homage to Caliphonyia?
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
What should PSB name his first book?
quote:It's a great article, but at least check out the floor plan.
The shotgun house is a narrow rectangular domestic residence, usually no more than 12 feet (3.5 m) wide, with doors at each end. It was the most popular style of house in the Southern United States from the end of the Civil War (1861–65), through to the 1920s. Alternate names include shotgun shack, shotgun hut, shotgun cottage, and railroad apartments. The style was developed in New Orleans, but the houses can be found as far away as Chicago, California or Key West, Florida. Shotgun houses are still the most prevalent housing style in many southern cities and towns.
quote:
The rooms are well-sized, and have relatively high ceilings for cooling purposes, as when warm air can rise higher, the lower part of a room tends to be cooler. Rooms usually have some decoration such as moldings, ceiling medallions, and elaborate woodwork. In cities like New Orleans, local industries supplied elaborate but mass-produced brackets and other ornaments for shotgun houses that were accessible even to homeowners of modest means.
quote:Thanks trenobus. Craig, do you feel like you want or need a word processor, and do you want me to mess around with these and see how they work?
Originally posted by trenobus:
http://www.openoffice.org/
quote:Me too.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
I am becoming quite impressed with Wikipedia.
quote:And I bet they have also.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
Another charming memory of Santa Cruz I had completely forgotten.
quote:There is a Ferrell's in Scotts Valley, but I haven't been in there for years so I don't know who owns it. Us old guys have to watch what we eat.
Originally posted by captainkidd1953:
Hey Homer isn't there a Ferrell's in Scotts Valley, that is still owned by the bald white guy, who started the whole business in the 1960's?
quote:Only if they tithe and bow to their gods.
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
You mean churches don't throw open their doors to the poor any more?
quote:For the record, $66 in taxes.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
So far this week I've paid $50 (just in City Tax) to sleep indoors. How much did you pay?...
quote:There are 28 listings on Craigslist for rooms under $500/month.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
...Oh, and they have studios for $350/week.
quote:Matthew Thompson, architect, has been calling for that for years.
Originally posted by Walter E. Wallis:
Perhaps we need some minimum standard shelter design and zoning that will allow an owner to make a profit from operating a flop house.
quote:Ok, the guy was born in 61, is married. Evidently his father divorced his mother shortly after he was born, married two women, divorced them and continued to cohabit with the last one, and he has a step-sister that was married about a dozen times.
I have heard you father's testimony at last three times. I am convinced that he knows the Lord and is saved. If you are concerned by his actions think on his heart. Remember how much he loved you, how much he appreciated me because of his love for you. I think he loved the Lord as well. The testimony of the single mothers at his funeral was a great testimony of service to his fellow man in a way that could only be inspired by the Lord. He also was a man of truth, even though it may have been brutal. My favorite verse in the Bile is Jesus is the way the truth and the life. The Bible also say that Satan is the father of lies. Living the truth is not easy and none of us do it all the time. At times of fear or in fights for preservation, image, a job, self, etc.; we all often stray from the truth. But all of us have times when we need to be truthful to ourselves and if we are fortunate enough to share that time with someone we can truly see their soul. I believe I had several such opportunities with your father and I believe he is saved and now with the Lord. I am sure you know some of the dark things in your father's life but, so what. My point is don't look at the sins, look at the heart. I have seen your father's heart and I know he is saved.
quote:And I sat there thinking about this very distant cousin, and his genealogy of over 100,000 names.
Officially died of hypothermia; however, the death scene indicated non-natural causes of death. Found lying supine under a culvert in a drainage ditch, a pistol discharged three times found above in driveway. He had shot at something through the van parked in the driveway.
quote:I really like this part.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
But all of us have times when we need to be truthful to ourselves and if we are fortunate enough to share that time with someone we can truly see their soul.
quote:Not sure about the hostel! Friends used to car camp next to lighthouse and the ocean, after leaving Grateful Dead concerts in the Bay Area. A nice quiet place to smoke MARIJUANA too.
I wonder about the hostel at Pidgeon Point during the winter and how much it costs. It's such a beautiful spot.
quote:A lot of working class heroes cannot afford the rent in Santa Cruz either. Then they use every method immaginable to prevent any more homes from being built. That makes the rents go up again and again.
You people sit around and raise your rents so that no one on disability can afford them, and do everything you can to drive out the poor and disabled, and then sit around and tell yourselves they're just lazy.
quote:Tell it, bro. Here we have Skip Spitzer of SCAN, and the usual NIMBY "activists," at it again.
Originally posted by captainkidd1953:
... they use every method immaginable to prevent any more homes from being built. That makes the rents go up again and again.
quote:As far as I know, churches don't pay taxes so there would be no need to take a deduction. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that their just another type of 501(c) something-or-other. I know that we had to show it as an in-kind contribution in our budgets and when we did our 990 tax returns, but I can't remember what it was valued at.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
Don't they also claim something like $50/night/person as a 'charitable contribution'? As the value of sleeping on the floor and what not? I can't figure out how else they can claim $200,000 or whatever it is as a 'charitable contribution' to the homeless.
quote:In all the years it operated out of our site but we weren't running it, they used the little vans to get people to the churches and armory. It started at about 4:30 and went on till about 8. It was ridiculous. The first year I had it we got the City to either donate a bus to us or sell it to us ridiculously cheap (I don't remember which) and that made it go a lot faster. The cost of drivers, gas, insurance and random drug testing was nuts. I'm pretty sure now that the City buses have a route or something for it, but I don't know who's picking up the tab.
You didn't mention the cost of the bus ride(s), which I also found amazing.
quote:I seem to recall stories of people being thrown out of there in the middle of the night and having no idea of how to find their way out, but those might be shelter rumors. IIRC the one season I had it the policy was that if it was bad enough to throw them out for, call the cops to transport them. I don't think it ever happened though.
I would literally be miles from anyone and anything with no way to get anywhere, way out at the end of Branciforte.
quote:It's all part of how "Leadership" monopolizes the very concept of "Need".
I can't figure out how else they can claim $200,000 or whatever it is as a 'charitable contribution' to the homeless.
quote:And then they tell the recruiters to get the hell off the UCSC campus; because they agree with the GLAAD opinions...
I'll never forget being told by some control freak at GLAAD that they were opposed to WAR and therefore could not support equal treatment of gays in the military...
quote:If it was a dumb idea, never mind. I've read some of your posts and know you've been burned by some folks. But when you posted about the cost of a hotel room, I thought maybe you at least might know someone you could work with on a short term basis to split costs.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
Have you thought about finding a partner to work with and split living expenses?
Gosh. I never thought of that.
Thank you so much.
quote:Dont worry planner. Its far easier to cry about your treatment at the hands of 'nazis' than to be an adult and take care of yourself.
I thought maybe you at least might know someone you could work with on a short term basis to split costs.
quote:PSB, you are a hard person to like.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
I thought maybe you at least might know someone you could work with on a short term basis to split costs.
Oh puhleeze. The only way I'd get a moments peace is to just give them all my medicine. That is, until they'd smoked it all.
Consider who would be willing to split a motel room with someone for a week, and why.
You people are so lost in space when it comes to the real world.
quote:This is one of my biggest issues with the non-disabled homeless population, because it impacts some of my sickest clients in pretty horrible ways...I do not think its OK to diss a person when they are down, but if they are down and abusing others that are not only down, but disabled as well, then my threshhold moves a bit.
One of the sadder things to see was how many new 'friends' some of the mentally ill and developmentally disabled people had on the 1st of every month. Scammers would do whatever it took to convince some lonely, confused person to 'share the wealth' of their monthly check and within days it would be all spent on drugs and alcohol, leaving the person with no money to get through the month in
quote:I didn't know you had even gotten that email. I'm not sure if John is going to mail the letter to you or send it straight to the courts. He's sending a copy to me also which I should get today or tomorrow. He can't violate City policies and dismiss them but he does have the leeway to ask for a suspended sentence which is almost as good. Unfortunately having the activists involved usually means that people have to follow their rules to the letter and can't make exceptions even if they were inclined to. This is the best his office can do and still be doing it 100% by the books.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
And Cagey, you know, it was all I could do to respond to your email. I'm sorry I didn't call, but it really was all I could do to respond to the email.
I suppose you would say I was depressed, or procrastinating, but it does seem to me any effort is an exerise in futility and just postponing the inevitable.
quote:Back to that are we?
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
YOU CAN ALL GO TO HELL.
quote:It was Thanksgiving day that Jane went into the hospital (the adoptive mother of the person I was living with), and spent over a month there with half her body paralyzed.
November 20, 2004
It's been almost a year since my life was ripped apart yet again.
Since I tried to talk to Bonita about her giving keys out to people I didn't even know that gave them access to my apartment.
Since she called the sheriffs and told them I was growing marijuana.
Since the jail, and the anxiety attacks and the hypomania.
Since they stole my medicine the day before Thanksgiving and tried to throw me out in the street.
Since Lanny somehow came up with $10,000 cash to bail me out of jail on Thanksgiving Day.
Since I got 'home' to find my computer gone, my medicine gone, my grow equipment gone, dirt all over the floor and the stink of cat-piss in my bedroom where the cat had used the dirt on the rug as a litter-box while I was in jail.
And then the terror started as my landlady and the San Bernardino sheriffs tried to steal everything I had and drive me into the street...
I've spent the day setting up my new domain and this blog.
It's been hard unpacking....difficult to get the umph to do anything at all. When I open the boxes everything comes back - being chased down the street by Bonita's nephew screaming for help, and then watching him smash my cassette recorder in the middle of the street, and then the sheriff refusing to do anything because "you were trying to record him".
...
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quote:
Just went through 50 or so ads. There were only 4 ads for apartments for less than $600 and all of them specified no-smoking and/or no pets. And they didn't have kitchens - just a refrigerator and microwave, NO HOTPLATES! Uh, no thanks. If you're gonna have a problem with a hotplate you're gonna have a problem with everything - like I would pay to live somewhere with no kitchen...
The same was true for most of the shares.
Several specified 'no red meat eaten in the house'.
Sorry, but I'm not going to spend $600/month to have someone tell me what I can and can't eat...
...and lots of female only places.
So, after reading about females only, no smoking, no drugs, no pets, no red meat, no, no, no, for several hours I did manage to find one or two remote possibilities and sent some emails and left some voicemails.
Jane has been moved to Kaiser's Rehab Hospital in Vallejo and will be there till the 24th I'm told. I've been meaning to visit but just can't seem to get myself out of the house.
This turn of events has given me quite a turn. Just when I thought I could begin to do something besides move on move on move on. It's taken me a couple of weeks to get my equilibrium back. It's been months, years, since I've been able to do anything I want to do. Even when I try I can't enjoy it. I can't go to the beach and enjoy myself because I'm constantly carrying this dread and fear with me of losing everything and being on the streets.
The irony of the situation - that in the end a gay Santa Cruz sheriff will have made me homeless, indigent and destitute - I'm sure the San Bernardino Sheriffs are laughing their asses off over this.
Well, I spent every cent I had moving here, trusting I would be treated fairly and decently...I should have known it was too good to be true, I guess.
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quote:First off Craig, none of what I posted above was directed at you, though you likely feel that it was. And, just to be clear, I did not "do" anything to you, I do not even know you.
You wouldn't even know your own damn name if you'd been through what YOU have put me through
quote:Indeed.
It was stunning how many people got checks for addictions in the 70s and 80s.
quote:True, and 60 MINUTES went undercover in the mid 80's. They watched several people cash their checks and spend their money on booze and drugs. And this was during those conservate (lets crack down on welfare cheats) Reagan years...
Friends have told me that in the early 70's virtually any bizarre acid-related behavior that got you picked up by the cops ended up with you being offered food stamps and an SSI application in parts of California that had an influx of hippies.
quote:If somebody trashed my place for no particular reason, I'd buy the guy a ticket to Singapore and a pack of gum.
Originally posted by cagey:
I love the business owner's reaction to this:
"I forgive the person already," said Gunawan, who plans to donate 15 percent of the cafe's profits for the next week to the National Alliance on Mental Health.
quote:Don't get down on the guy, maybe he can only afford the 15%.
Originally posted by cagey:
Yeah well, some people are nice and some people are meanies
quote:That's it. Either you pay for lunch next time for everyone or I'm sending the speedo pic to the milk carton people and telling them you're lost.
Originally posted by ericr:
quote:Don't get down on the guy, maybe he can only afford the 15%.
Originally posted by cagey:
Yeah well, some people are nice and some people are meanies
quote:Of course getting caught with that package of Juicy Fruit means that he gets whipped with a cane on the bare back and bottom a dozen times or more.
If somebody trashed my place for no particular reason, I'd buy the guy a ticket to Singapore and a pack of gum.
quote:Why didn't your friends riot again on New Years eve? A gang of redneck punks beat the living $hi+ out of a "gay men's choir" from Yale University. They broke one guy's jaw. Several people went to the hospital ER.
One of the reasons I decided to go to San Francisco was because I felt at least they were doing 'something' there and not just taking it anymore.)
quote:without knowing that was attribued to be part of the cause.
But the rangers generally pull the stakes and pop the poles before a rain, evidently to make sure everything gets soaked.
At least that's what happened when I tried it last year.
When I came back to my tent to find the stakes pulled, the poles popped, and the front unzipped. If they hadn't unzipped it everything might have still been dry, but there was a puddle of about 2 inches of water in the waterproof floor and eveyrthing was soaked.
quote:That's all we get to know about the real victim here, except that his bail is $27,000 and it will probably be years before he gets out of jail, with a resentment the size of Texas.
Police said they still don't know why Carter allegedly broke into the cafe. During an interview with police he reportedly expressed frustration that he had recently been displaced from his camp site. Although police reported Carter showed objective signs of intoxication, they declined to comment on whether or not he was drunk when taken into custody pending the results of a blood alcohol test.
quote:
I guess that will be the end of my website.
Unfortunately, I will probably continue on, somehow.
quote:It is SO hard not to comment on this crap. But I promised to try...
I was thinking this morning I was born a crimninal - gay in Alabama - and been one ever since. A fugitive in my own land. All my life.
quote:I'm with you on this one Ditto. Better left unsaid.
Originally posted by Ditto:
quote:
I guess that will be the end of my website.
Unfortunately, I will probably continue on, somehow.
quote:It is SO hard not to comment on this crap. But I promised to try...
I was thinking this morning I was born a crimninal - gay in Alabama - and been one ever since. A fugitive in my own land. All my life.
quote:How do you know this? Are you a soothsayer? Fatalist?
Originally posted by flyfisher:
You were on this path long ago,well before you became homeless.
quote:I hope you are similarly lecturing Grover Norquist.
You bash the system that has helped far more people than it has hurt.Please stop doing that.
quote:Doesn't our Constitutional system of government protect his right to do that?
Just because the system has rules that you cannot abide by does not give you the right to tell everyone to "GO TO HELL"
quote:Oh goodie. Another motivational seminar about responsibility for PSB. I'm sure he'll cherish your thoughtful lecture. So you figure being born gay in Alabama in 1950 was a decision PSB made because he didn't want to fit the "norm"? And how about those norms in Alabama in that era? They were swell, heh?
Originally posted by flyfisher:
LW I am no soothsayer,just commenting on PSBs previous posts about his past.They showed a history that put him out of the societal "norm"Not everyone wants to fit the "norm" but when you make that decision(and it is your right)you just have to live with the results and take responsibility for where you are now.
quote:Understood, thanks. Not dissimilar, I suppose, to PSB venting about agencies which he feels have treated him unfairly.
Originally posted by flyfisher:
LW I know I am not doing PSB any good but I feel better.
quote:Uh, What about this era? Or are you taking the typical liberal stance that once a victim always a victim. Are you trying to tell me there are no successful gay persons in the world? It seems like the 'black' excuse is being made here, boot on the neck, disenfranchised, etc. The fact hes gay is not an excuse for his unwillingness to attempt to succeed at something besides making you and Cagey cry.
So you figure being born gay in Alabama in 1950 was a decision PSB made because he didn't want to fit the "norm"? And how about those norms in Alabama in that era? They were swell, heh?
quote:I assume FF just read PSB's web site: http://www.palmspringsbum.org/aboutme.html.
Originally posted by LWard:
quote:How do you know this? Are you a soothsayer?
Originally posted by flyfisher:
You were on this path long ago,well before you became homeless.
quote:What, no screeching from our left leaning audience about PSB's advocation of shooting homeless persons? That it would be far easier to murder a troll instead of provide them with free handouts at taxpayer expense? That it would be more humane?
It truly would be kinder to just shoot me.
quote:The fact you wont stop smokin bud in order to live 'indoors' and lead a healthy lifestyle kinda supports their belief, no? If money isnt the object why do you need 'their' services? Go get your own place and smoke up son!
They require a drug test for their housing and services, and consider ALL cannabis use to be ADDICTION.
quote:The VA conclude over 2 years ago that my WIFE is 70% disabled yet she works two jobs. Whats your problem? You can obvioulsy use a computer, type, walk, do research etc. I always find it interesting that all your stuff has been stolen 'x' amount of times but noone wants your laptop.
The Federal Government concluded over ten years ago that I could not work, and that I was 100% disabled. And I certainly haven't gotten any better in the past ten years, not with being raided and jailed and robbed and contiually ridiculed and called a liar and a fraud.
quote:If money is no object why must you rely on their services? I mean, if you dont like the way HS operates why keep whining about the standards you have to meet in order to reap the benefits of their FREE services that you whine about?
The fact is that that travesty that you call homeless services does require the disabled to 'work'
quote:Use your money, get a motel room and a *****, have her dress up in mens clothes, smoke a blunt and go nite nite.
will be particularly sketchy tomorrow and monday, when sleep-deprivation sets in and they're still up and can't sleep.
quote:Of course, the Federal Government also concluded that you should go to jail if you smoke pot, and that medical marijuana is invalid, so I wouldn't put 100% faith in the correctness of its conclusions.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
...The issue is NOT whether or not I can or should work. The Federal Government concluded over ten years ago that I could not work, and that I was 100% disabled...
quote:The insurance Craig refers to is Social Security Disability Insurance. So the answer to your question is: we all do.
Originally posted by Ditto:
You may not be on welfare buddy, but whos paying into the pot for your insurance?
quote:Exactley. Yet he sits on his *** and b!tches and moans that we arent doing enough to support his drug habit and freeloading lifestyle. It says alot about PSB's lack of character and what he thinks is manly with his 'spit' remark. It would probally be the first time in his life he 'spit' instead of swallowed.
The insurance Craig refers to is Social Security Disability Insurance. So the answer to your question is: we all do.
quote:LMFAO. You gotta be the only homeless guy on the planet worrying how your going to cover your webspace fees.
This mean I will not be able to cover the storage, interest, and web hosting charges coming up on my credit card.
quote:Tough Sh!t. Imagine if you werent a leech on societys azz and contributed to your insurance fund through meaningful employment. But yet again, that would require a teeny tiny bit of effort on your part. And as we've all seen from your ramblings, its far easier to b!tch, cry in the rain, moan and 'oh wo is me' us to death than put forth that effort.
That I will not be able to maintain a postive balance, and that I will be lucky to have cash through next week.
quote:With SSI your case is reviewed routinely, mainly because it is an entitlement, and not a benefit. The reviews are usually every 2-3 years, or as needed.
Do people on SSDI for mental health disabilities ever need to be recertified to keep their benefits? If they do, how does that work?
quote:OK, so now I was responsible for you losing your benefits? Either you are an idiot, an antagonist, or just plain Paranoid. Whatever. Listen Bud, you can lose your Medicaid for all kinds of reasons, like not submitting the regular paperwork needed to keep it updated - oh, but that would mean it was your fault. Just a thought. Also, if you get SSDI you may actually MAKE TOO MUCH to qualify for medicaid - that is why, if you have SSDI, you have Medicare.
Greaves should know about disability reviews, evidently they tried to get social security to review mine, even though I'd had one a couple of years ago. That's when I lost my Medi-Cal. When I went into River Street Shelter.
quote:Thanks for the explanation, greaves. I'm sure the doctors that kept shoving disability forms in my face probably thought that they were doing me a favor instead of scaring the sh!t out of me by saying I could never work again, but you'd think they'd put a little more effort into making that decision before offering me support at the taxpayer's expense for the rest of my life. Oh well - it's probably better from their perspective to err on the side of caution in these things when all they have to go on is what they see at the moment.
Originally posted by greaves:
SSDI you can only receive if you worked AT LEAST ten quarters in the preceeding ten years - not a very high bar to meet, IMHO. Of course, you also have to meet the definition of "disability," which can change depending on who is working on your case, or who the Administrative Law Judge is. You CAN continue to work while on SSDI, you just lose dollar for dollar after a certain ammount. Eventually, if you continue to demonstrate you can work, you will be strongly encouraged to do that - unless you cannot work gainfully overtime.
quote:And yet another example of why we cannot always bet the farm on a diagnosis made by a federal beauracrat.
When I was first diagnosed it was assumed that I wouldn't be able work again and 3 different doctors felt that I was 100% disabled and wanted me to file for SSDI. Luckily I found one that disagreed, and anticonvulsants for epilepsy worked so well for me that I was back at work 2 months later.
quote:LINK PLEASE.
Got my hands on the set from that Pelosi fundraiser in DC a few weeks ago...
quote:I have private insurance, went to private doctors and I have no idea what sort of federal bureaucrat you think was involved, but it has nothing to do with that.
Originally posted by captainkidd1953:
[QUOTE]And yet another example of why we cannot always bet the farm on a diagnosis made by a federal beauracrat.
quote:Paranoid.
I can think of only one person that would say that.
quote:Two words: Google Adsense.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
So far this month my website has generated 21,936 hits, 12,149 views, and 2,136 visitors - 432 visitors per day.
Last month it generated 152,855 hits, 97,435 page views, and 14,191 visitors - 394 vistors per day.
quote:Dude, you are a total fruitloop.
I can think of only one person that would say that.
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Paranoid.
quote:Homer, why don't you try having a clue what you're talking about before you go offering advice.
Two words: Google Adsense.
You won't make a fortune, but if you are really generating that kind of traffic then it should at least pay your hosting bills.
quote:No, it's paranoia. I have not worked on The Corner since 2001, and have absolutely NOTHING to do with Homeless Services offered there.
It's deductive reasoning.
code:While this is for just the past 5 days, it is representative, except that before my last revision to my genealogy, the relative traffic on the \tree and \genealogy directories was reversed, with \tree generating the most traffic.Most Requested Directories
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Directoy Hits Requests Visitors Bandwidth(KB)
1 http://www.palmspringsbum.org/ genealogy/ 2,840 0 739 26,433
2 http://www.palmspringsbum.org/ tree/ 1,143 0 462 9,259
3 http://www.palmspringsbum.org/ bbs/ 7,048 0 275 70,729
Time range: 1/31/2007 04:08:06 - 2/4/2007 21:34:05
quote:You've got to be kidding me. Is the irony here completely escaping you? Is your hypocrisy meter not going full tilt into red?
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
...and suggest you might have shown the tinniest bit of respect, common courtesy, and lack of prejudice ...
quote:Response:
Two words: Google Adsense.
You won't make a fortune, but if you are really generating that kind of traffic then it should at least pay your hosting bills.
quote:Alternative response:
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
Homer, why don't you try having a clue what you're talking about before you go offering advice.
You look really stupid, patronizing, and.. well, like those folks over at the Concentration Camp to me.
And in case you still don't have a clue what I'm talking about. CLICK ON MY SITE and actually LOOK at one of my pages.
Then you might figure it out.
Maybe.
quote:Right on! It would also be nice to get the corporate freeloaders (Haliburton?) off the taxpayers backs as well.
As for picking up my trash. I use my garbage can for its intended purpose. Unlike 'you people' that piss and sh!t anywhere and everywhere, that throw your trash everywhere but in a trash bin. Unlike 'you people' that have the gall to berate the people and services that offer you FREE assistance because they dont bow down to Craigypoo's whims. It would be nice to hear one of 'you people' just say 'thanx' once in awhile to the working men and women of this country that fund freeloaders like you via their hard earned taxdollars. You who dont put a thin dime in the pot that you swill from have NO right to chastise those of us who do.
quote:You know nothing about anyone on this forum, yet regularly show contempt for the people posting and reading it. From what you've told me, you were raised to have manners. Your mother must be horrified if she's reading this.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
I do not conspiciously indulge in contempt prior to investigation.
quote:Ive never met you let alone stolen anything from you. You on the other hand have never met me yet piss away my tax dollars, in effect, STEALING from ME.
Steal everything I have, and then accues me of being a free loader. Make it impossible for me to do anything, and accuse me of being a free loader.
quote:But freaking out on people who have no power to change any of it and alienating them only makes it worse.
No that's NOT all it's about.
quote:Yes?
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
Mak, you hack.
quote:Done.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
ROT IN HELL.
quote:Oh. I didn't realize that screaming "rot in hell" at cops (and anyone else who pisses you off) is the sign of a well adjusted individual capable of taking care of themselves. Sorry, my mistake.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
As I said, I'm sick of co-ing you rude, patronizing *******s.
quote:Does that sound like anyone you know?
Self-victimization
A martyr complex can also be a tendency to feel that one is being singled out for persecution. It is often characterized by the belief that one's persecution is the result of exceptional integrity.
quote:That's really over the line dit. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Originally posted by Ditto:
BTW. Werent you supposed to ... ?
quote:Interesting stuff, Mak. I've seen similar before, but don't recall where. Time to check the library.
Originally posted by Mahakala:
From Eric Berne: ...
quote:Eric -- thanks!
Originally posted by ericr:
quote:Interesting stuff, Mak. I've seen similar before, but don't recall where. Time to check the library.
Originally posted by Mahakala:
From Eric Berne: ...
quote:I'm really glad that someone else noticed that and had the integrity to say something about it. It would have been really depressing to wake up to more swooning over what a 'real man' he is for advocating beating pregnant women, endless gay jokes and taunting a mentally ill person to commit suicide. This stuff makes Robot look socially compassionate.
Originally posted by homer:
quote:That's really over the line dit. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Originally posted by Ditto:
BTW. Werent you supposed to ... ?
quote:Just trying to hold him to his word.
taunting a mentally ill person to commit suicide
quote:Speaking from personal experience? Does that kind of thing get 'you people' off?
Take your god damned wooden leg and shove it up your *** sideways. And I hope it has splinters.
quote:The loser formerly known as PSB is the one here who has claimed what a 'man' he is. At the same time speaking of taking it in the azz and spitting on people.
up to more swooning over what a 'real man' he is for advocating beating pregnant women, endless gay jokes and taunting a mentally ill person to commit suicide
quote:Stop digging dit. It only makes you look more shameful.
Originally posted by Ditto:
quote:Just trying to hold him to his word.
taunting a mentally ill person to commit suicide
quote:Very well put, Mahakala, in my opinion. Speaking the truth without love isn't much different than speaking flattery with hate. And if two wrongs don't make a right, three, four or five thousand aren't likely to, either.
Originally posted by Mahakala:
Confrontation can produce truth, even if unpleasant for those participating. Cruelty produces nothing of value to anyone.
quote:
Originally posted by Ditto:
Does that kind of thing get 'you people' off?
quote:*snickers
speaking of taking it in the azz
quote:Someone directed me to this thread. A few things you might want to know:
Originally posted by Mahakala:
quote:Tell it, bro. Here we have Skip Spitzer of SCAN, and the usual NIMBY "activists," at it again.
Originally posted by captainkidd1953:
... they use every method immaginable to prevent any more homes from being built. That makes the rents go up again and again.
First thing they demand when meeting with the owners is that the low-income portion of the project -- the granny units -- be eliminated, and then that the moderate-income portion -- the townhouses -- be sliced away, so that only the high-income portion -- the single family homes -- remain.
Then when they get THAT, they demand that most or all of the remaining portion be eliminated too, so as to keep a monopoly on their own homes, which of course adds to the overall shortage and raises the price of both owned units and, since many of them get rented, raises rents as well.
This is what passes as "progressive policy" among the SCAN hypocrites. Thank goodness voters have begun, in the last few elections, to see through their two-faced grasping selfishness.
quote:Yes, I've heard that for 25 years, every time that a project with at-and-below-median income housing is included in a project. Funny how no one ever opposes affordable housing and yet they're always opposing it, isn't it?
Originally posted by skip99:
The community in the area is not by and large opposed to affordable housing on the land.
quote:Granny units' rent levels are controlled by the limited size of the units, and unless they're gold-plated inside and out, nearly universally rent at monthly costs affordable to those of median, low and even the top of very low income. So that's simply not true.
Originally posted by skip99:
granny units on properties like that often aren't even used for housing and if rented the prices are exclusive.
quote:That sounds like a valid concern, and I'm glad you're bringing it up as part of the negotiations.
Originally posted by skip99:
the City would be giving away part of a public easement that will make it impossible to run a bike-way to the harbor if the B'way/Brommer bike path gets shot down in court.
quote:Yes, I know that that's the boilerplate claim made for a quarter century now, but it's half wrrong. With ownership housing, it's true. With rental housing, external pressure is so low in this landlocked, relatively isolated exurban market that every new group of units does, indeed, have significant effect on rent levels. A 3.5% difference in vacancy rate held rents to CPI for six years. Please learn some local housing economics before repeating this damaging half-truth yet again.
Originally posted by skip99:
There's so little buildable land that prioritizing housing regardless of retail value is going to do almost nothing to relieve housing costs.
quote:You have no idea what you're talking about. Minimum levels of density bonus are dictated by state law, were just strengthened this last year by the legislature, and no amount of "insisting" will change that.
Originally posted by skip99:
We have to do things like insist that the new general plan prevents extreme "density bonuses" for developers
quote:That is an overt misrepresentation. Affordability is relative to each community's income profile, and units designated affordable ARE within specific ranges of income, as measured quarterly by HUD and state agencies, and as defined by state and federal law. The fact that YOU misrepresent housing units "not relaly affordable" does not change the fact that ALL units, for example which are "affordable to median income" ARE, in fact, affordable to those in the 80%-120% income range in the community.
Originally posted by skip99:
in exchange for so few affordable units (which aren't even really affordable).
quote:You haven't a clue as to what you're talking about, as no "rules" are "bent" in density bonuses, nor, apparently, have you bothered to pay attention to what's actually happened to local housing production when "far more affordable units" have been demanded. Hint: Watsonville demanded 25%, and housing production for all levels, including the very low income, shut down entirely.
Originally posted by skip99:
If developers want rules bent, they should have to designate far more affordable units, which should be truly affordable.
quote:No one's said that it is. Thanks, though, for advancing a typical cheap straw man you can then knock down.
Originally posted by skip99:
Anyway, promoting housing regardless of the details is not a compassionate or useful position
quote:Ah, yes -- the boilerplate rhetoric. I was WONDERING when we were going to get to the accusation that everyone who's pro-housing is under the sway of "developers." And, sure enough, here it is.
Originally posted by skip99:
--it's a position developers take to advance their lucrative investments.
quote:I'm glad it doesn't, but it could be misconstrued that way. If I said it my housemates would have my butt in the hospital before I could finish the sentence. People can get the wrong idea sometimes and overreact and nothing we say makes any difference at that point.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
[QB]The best I can figure, saying "finish me off quickly" was what prompted that and I don't see how that warrants a trip to Dominican or anything else.
quote:Ah! I was unaware that you knew enough about this project that you'd know who had "set the record straight." When did THAT happen?
Originally posted by cagey:
It's really nice to see someone from the community step forward to set the record straight...
quote:Me too. Shall we start with your sliming the most recently elected SC councilmember with your projecting her voting on a nonexistent resolution so you should paint here a hypocrite without proof? Or, as usual with the compulsively vicous, do your rules of conduct only apply to OTHER people?
Originally posted by cagey:
I wish it happened more often, and that people here were held accountable to the community members that they attribute nefarious motives to in public.
quote:Thanks, Heather. Good to have you back, by the way. The forum is always far more pleasant when you're around.
Originally posted by CoramDeo:
quote:Very well put, Mahakala, in my opinion. Speaking the truth without love isn't much different than speaking flattery with hate.
Originally posted by Mahakala:
Confrontation can produce truth, even if unpleasant for those participating. Cruelty produces nothing of value to anyone.
quote:If I may kinda defend Skip for a moment, it's a well-meaning idea that's grown out of the movement to open up ownership by removing the mortgage interest rate deduction on any more than one home, so that some can't hoard while others go without.
Originally posted by lookwithin:
Skip, I'm with Al on this, at least as far as being bewildered by the " no one owning more than one house"concept goes.
quote:then WHY are you still HERE? If you dont like it...then leave. Trust me on this, noone is going to give a rats *** if you should go away. Noone asked you to come here and leech off the system or scream at our citizens that you percieve as guilty of screwing you over.
And the fact is, you (and I don't mean you personally) have completely destroyed me. I asked one thing of Santa Cruz, and that was for my medicine to be treated like medicine. And was told "SCREW YOU!".
quote:That's not going to happen and the sooner you come to terms with that fact, the better off you will be. Please show me anywhere in the U.S. that gives transitional housing to someone who insists they are entitled to smoke >1 oz of pot per week. (crickets chirping...)
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
I asked one thing of Santa Cruz, and that was for my medicine to be treated like medicine.
quote:It's got nothing to do with your ancestors, it is about your behavior. You demand that Santa Cruz provide you with accommodations regardless of your own behavior as some sort of birthright. You demand that people provide you with a level of civility and respect that you are unwilling to provide to others. Heck, you even demand that you be provided with your drug of choice for free (compassion bags) or at least at a discounted price.
For that I have been accused of everything under the sun, and accused of behaving like European Royalty, evidently because I have a pedigree.
quote:Nope Craig. Not gonna work. I am not responsible. I have a clear conscience. I don't even live in or vote on issues pertaining to SC. I just work there. You created the situation that got you into this mess and the sooner you can come terms with it the better. You came to Santa Cruz, I didn't bring you there. You are right in one respect though. It IS a personal problem. Not mine, but yours and you are absolutely right YOU need to do something about it.
...but YOU are responsible. You all are. You created this situation, not me. It is the expression of your common will. If you don't like that, well it sounds like a personal problem to me and I think you should do something about it.
quote:On the contrary. I wouldn't be wasting my time in any dialogue with you if I didn't. However, I am enough of a realist to know that I don't have the ability to help at this point. Sure, I could send you funds, I could see if I could find someone that would take you in, I could probably do a lot of things. But I would be unwilling to do any of those things unless or until you come to some realizations. From what I have read, most if not all of the problems that you are dealing with in regards to Santa Cruz are from your own doing. Either through words, actions or just outright rebellion against the system as it now stands. I would be the last one here to say that you are not an extremely bright individual. Your writing is almost impeccable to a fault. The potential of that alone is staggering to even a casual reader.
In other words you don't give a ****.
quote:Cuz there are no stores that sell M-A-R-I-J-U-A-N-A around here except in the Santa Cruz CITY LIMITS. None across the Bay either. All of their baggies of ganja are bought at the Santa Cruz clubs!
then WHY are you still HERE? If you dont like it...
quote:Never mind the weed Homer!
Please show me anywhere in the U.S. that gives transitional housing to someone who insists they are entitled to smoke >1 oz of pot per week.
quote:Oh, I don't know, maybe the point is to keep them from going to warrant, getting taken to jail when they run your name because you're screaming 'go to hell' at people, freaking out in jail because you don't have your pot and getting sent to Dominican where they can hold you for as long as they feel like unless you can get a lawyer to get you out. Then you can pitch all the fits you want over taking not taking their meds and prove their point that you can't take care of yourself. Personally, having all my rights taken away and knowing that any objection I raise to any medication is just going to win me a longer stay is something worth trying to avoid.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
What's the point?
quote:No, you choose to rant and rave so that you can get your self-fullfilling prophecy fix for the day.
And I had to rant and scream to achieve that.
quote:LOL cagey - you sound so pragmatic.
Originally posted by cagey:
...The fact that they're telling the staff that they hate us the whole time is sort of irrelevant to getting your job done....
quote:Nice try. We said saint, not diplomat.
Originally posted by cagey:
...Next on the agenda could be a resolution that allows anyone nominated for sainthood to park anywhere they want forever. That could be cool
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quote:Actually, very few medicines "cure" anything. Most all medicines are simply symptom relievers.
Originally posted by TSDuncombe:
Mmm, I thought the definition of medicine was that it cured what ailed you. Under that definition, the "medical marijuana" doesn't appear to be helping. It may be time to try something new.
quote:Hey cagey- my argument was with tsd claiming that medicines are supposed to "cure" you.
Originally posted by cagey:
Jgun, there is no cure for bipolar disorder yet so all that the meds can do is ameliorate the symptoms at best. No one has ever misled me and implied otherwise, so I don't feel taken advantage of by the drug companies.
quote:Well, I answered this shortly after I first started reading posts by PSB and he had NO real reply other than, "they can choose to overlook the Federal Laws."
that's the crux of the situation, isn't it? If medical pot is legal, then how can it's use be banned by the shelters?
If one showed up at the shelter with a script for methadone, woukld they send him away also?
quote:You're right - you did tell me that. Sorry. I don't think I'm framing my question right, but I don't want to beat it to death. I measure if mine work or not based on specific things I want to be able to do - I need to slow down enough to be able to eat, sleep, work, keep my house, and be ok enough to enjoy the rest of the time.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
That's not true.
And I've answered that question so many times in these forums and everywhere else. It stablizes me. It lift my depression enough that I can somehow continue, day after day.
[/IMG]quote:Craig, I really think that can get straightened out somehow by the folks at HPHP because it's just obscene that they would expect you to have to spend that much of your income on medical expenses. I've never heard of anything like it, which tells me that someone must have screwed up somewhere along the line. We never directly worked on any of that because HPHP were experts at it. Maybe Greaves knows more of the details, but between MediCal and MediCruz I never saw anyone go without medical care or prescriptions (other than pot).
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
How is having to pay my first $467 of medical bills a month going to help? That is my Medi-Cal 'share-of-cost'. FOUR HUNDRED SIXTY-SEVEN DOLLARS. It might as well be a million. Which is, of course, the point.
quote:Look up the names on most of those 'cannabis causes cancer' studies Dumbo, I bet you'll find 'Tashkin' on most of them.
"Yes," said Tashkin. "The odds ratios are less than one almost consistently, and in one category that relationship was significant, but I think that it would be difficult to extract from these data the conclusion that marijuana is protective against lung cancer. But that is not an unreasonable hypothesis."
quote:More so than you, im sure..
Do you have a clue what the side-effects are for the drugs they would prescribe for me? Not to mention the drugs that most people are taking today.
quote:Yeah - I feel the same way in reverse.
Originally posted by palmspringsbum:
As far as I'm concerned, life wasn't worth living on the drugs they put me on. Anything was better.
quote:I'm pretty sure you said it was when they gave you SSRIs because they didn't realize that you were bipolar. But...no I don't remember what I said other than that no one ever suggested that I take them because they'd never give them to a bipolar person, but especially not bipolar I. Is that right?
Do you remember what I answered when you asked me when I began to have hypomanic episodes? And what you said after that?